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TDRL
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DragonFly, I've missed you! I was hoping everything was going good, figured you were busy! I hope you hear something soon!
I have been insanely busy lately. It's so good to be back! How have you been? I got your message.
I updated a few threads discussing some things I had been working on, like DH's student loan discharge and his CRSC. Those are all done now.
We had a lawsuit to deal with as well, and we got that resolved to our full satisfaction. Yay!
Let's see....oh yes, another update! My 18yo DS got a J.O.B and starts today AND he did VERY well on the ASVAB and is going into the ARMY!
Now if I can just check off the TDRL portion of my list of things to get finished, I might actually start relaxing. LOL
I will be posting some questions about SMC if I can find the forum for it. It appears TBI falls into the "L" criteria and we also need to apply for that benefit.
Life is so fun.
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Torrey,
That is excellent news! I am glad that you can now count this as another hurdle passed. Thanks for your posts and a very heartfelt thanks to your husband for his service.
That is excellent news! I am glad that you can now count this as another hurdle passed. Thanks for your posts and a very heartfelt thanks to your husband for his service.
Thanks Jason! This board helped me so much! Thanks for all YOUR help and making this board possible.
I told the PEBLO counselor (well, she's not really a PEBLO counselor but that's another story LOL) that she was OUR hero because she worked hard on getting this done. I explained to her that it's not so much the rating that makes us happy....it's the fact it is BEHIND us ...and we can check off the list of yet another process we can put behind us. It's a relief to feel like you can get on with your life regardless of the rating.
I think she understood.
I told the PEBLO counselor (well, she's not really a PEBLO counselor but that's another story LOL) that she was OUR hero because she worked hard on getting this done. I explained to her that it's not so much the rating that makes us happy....it's the fact it is BEHIND us ...and we can check off the list of yet another process we can put behind us. It's a relief to feel like you can get on with your life regardless of the rating.
I think she understood.
DragonFly,
YEAH!!! You've had a lot of great things happening. I'm so happy for the rating! That is the most fantastic news!
Its great that you had the support of your "peblo counselor" ..but I'm betting she was probably just as impressed with you and your knowledge of the system and having everything together!
You are awesome! Give yourself a big pat on the back!!!!
And it's fantastic that your son did great on the ASVAB, I bet you're really proud of him. I think its great and very patriotic that he's going into the Army. Fantastic.
I really hope you can both take a nice little bit of downtime together. you deserve it!
Talk to you soon!
YEAH!!! You've had a lot of great things happening. I'm so happy for the rating! That is the most fantastic news!
Its great that you had the support of your "peblo counselor" ..but I'm betting she was probably just as impressed with you and your knowledge of the system and having everything together!
You are awesome! Give yourself a big pat on the back!!!!
And it's fantastic that your son did great on the ASVAB, I bet you're really proud of him. I think its great and very patriotic that he's going into the Army. Fantastic.
I really hope you can both take a nice little bit of downtime together. you deserve it!
Talk to you soon!
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It doesn't.
Jason, not to question you, but I remember reading somewhere that the time you spend on TDRL just counts towards time in service for pay purposes. Lets say that you're an E-6 with 10 years time in grade and you go on TDRL. If you rejoin the military after being on TDRL for 3 years, that time on TDRL would count for pay purposes only, so you'd get paid as an E-6 with 13 years time in service (vice 10).
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No problem, it actually is helpful (especially in this case). You are quite right, in the circumstances you describe, IF returned to duty, it does count for pay purposes.
What I should have said is that it does not count towards years of service for eligibility for concurrent receipt or length of service retirement purposes. So, if the member has 18 years, is placed on TDRL for two years, and then is permanently retired, he will not qualify as having 20 years for most purposes (eligibility for CRDP under current law, the benefit of alternate calculation for disability award based on length of service, etc.).
What I should have said is that it does not count towards years of service for eligibility for concurrent receipt or length of service retirement purposes. So, if the member has 18 years, is placed on TDRL for two years, and then is permanently retired, he will not qualify as having 20 years for most purposes (eligibility for CRDP under current law, the benefit of alternate calculation for disability award based on length of service, etc.).
Hello, and Thank You to everyone here that offers all of this great information.
I was diagnosed with Type-1 Diabetes and received 40% Disability from the VA, and 40% from the Air Force. I have been on TDRL since Apr 2008 and just recieved a notification for my reevaluation.
I only have four and a half years of active duty, and I am concerned that I am going to lose my TDRL status, and be permanently seperated. Has anyone with similar conditions been through this, does anyone have any suggestions to offer on how I could increase my chances of becoming permanently retired?
Any advice you can offer is greatly appreciated. I really can not afford to lose my tricare benefits and after talking to a rep from Randolph AFB I am afraid that is exactly what is going to happen.
Thanks again,
Brent
I was diagnosed with Type-1 Diabetes and received 40% Disability from the VA, and 40% from the Air Force. I have been on TDRL since Apr 2008 and just recieved a notification for my reevaluation.
I only have four and a half years of active duty, and I am concerned that I am going to lose my TDRL status, and be permanently seperated. Has anyone with similar conditions been through this, does anyone have any suggestions to offer on how I could increase my chances of becoming permanently retired?
Any advice you can offer is greatly appreciated. I really can not afford to lose my tricare benefits and after talking to a rep from Randolph AFB I am afraid that is exactly what is going to happen.
Thanks again,
Brent
Hello there Mototryph1,
First off, what did the Rep from Randolph say??
From what I can gather, it basically comes down to is documentation. 40% is very gray with the wording "Regulation of activities". That is all the book says. So if you have to watch what you do during periods of increased activity, talk about it with the doctor. If he doesn't agree, talk with an Endo. You can always disagree with what the Air Force boards say and appeal just like if you were still serving.
While I hope this hasn't happened, have you had any bouts of Ketoacidosis?? Were you hosptilized for any Hypo/Hyper reactions?? Has the disease progressed any, loss of feeling in toes, blurry vision?? How have your A1C's results been?? While it sucks if it happens, that's part of why TDRL is there for in case you get worse.
Here's a link on "Regulation of Activities".
http://www.pebforum.com/diabetes-endocrine-conditions/11628-diabetes-regulation-activities.html
Now if you don't mind me asking, since I'm going through the same thing. How did you get TDRL and not PDRL the first time around?? Were you even a candidite for "Fit for Duty"?? (it has happened before). How much did you fight it?? Tri-care good on the outside as a Civi?? Are you on Vials, Pens, or Pump??
Best of luck, keep coming back to the boards.
Dio
First off, what did the Rep from Randolph say??
From what I can gather, it basically comes down to is documentation. 40% is very gray with the wording "Regulation of activities". That is all the book says. So if you have to watch what you do during periods of increased activity, talk about it with the doctor. If he doesn't agree, talk with an Endo. You can always disagree with what the Air Force boards say and appeal just like if you were still serving.
While I hope this hasn't happened, have you had any bouts of Ketoacidosis?? Were you hosptilized for any Hypo/Hyper reactions?? Has the disease progressed any, loss of feeling in toes, blurry vision?? How have your A1C's results been?? While it sucks if it happens, that's part of why TDRL is there for in case you get worse.
Here's a link on "Regulation of Activities".
http://www.pebforum.com/diabetes-endocrine-conditions/11628-diabetes-regulation-activities.html
Now if you don't mind me asking, since I'm going through the same thing. How did you get TDRL and not PDRL the first time around?? Were you even a candidite for "Fit for Duty"?? (it has happened before). How much did you fight it?? Tri-care good on the outside as a Civi?? Are you on Vials, Pens, or Pump??
Best of luck, keep coming back to the boards.
Dio
Hi, Im currently going through the MEB process here at Fort Hood for Bipolar II. I sign my NARSUM tomorow and was told to expect my findings within a week or two. From what I've read and seen from other people I am 99% sure they are going to put me on TDRL. I'm in a position finiancially that I really could use a severance pay to help me be able to relocate my family get a place and pay off our car or get another cheaper car etc.
I know most would say to take the TDRL, but its not the best thing for my situation. A severance would benefit me much more as Im completely able to work right upon returning home and can always collect from the VA later on down the road.
So my questions are..
(1. Can I appeal the TDRL in favor of a PDRL?
(2. How likely am I to suceed with this as Bipolar is permanent.
(3. What should I use as arguing points for why I want the PDRL?
...BTW I understand that they could probably come back with less than 30% if I do fight for the PDRL but even that will sit fine with me provided I get the severance. Thanks in advance for any input and help.
I know most would say to take the TDRL, but its not the best thing for my situation. A severance would benefit me much more as Im completely able to work right upon returning home and can always collect from the VA later on down the road.
So my questions are..
(1. Can I appeal the TDRL in favor of a PDRL?
(2. How likely am I to suceed with this as Bipolar is permanent.
(3. What should I use as arguing points for why I want the PDRL?
...BTW I understand that they could probably come back with less than 30% if I do fight for the PDRL but even that will sit fine with me provided I get the severance. Thanks in advance for any input and help.
Not sure if this is the information that you wanted but here goes. you can appeal any decission that the PEB returns but for you to recieve a severance of any kind you would have to recieve a rating below 30% IE 20..10% I can tell you that it will be hard for them to rate your bipolar as stable there for permanant the first time through the process. they usually want to see improvemant or a decline in the condition over time to make sure it isnt getting better, worse, or "Stable". which is what you need for PDRL. I know that they almost always put PTSD as unstable just to re-evaluate it in a couple years before going to PDRL and TBI is usually stable. so I cannot guarentee bipolar would be the same.
I am sure there are some very insightful indivduals here that can give you a much better explanation.
Thank you for your service.
I am sure there are some very insightful indivduals here that can give you a much better explanation.
Thank you for your service.
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You can raise any arguments you like at a formal hearing.
Slim to none. The relevant criteria is not whether the condition is permanent, it is whether it is likely to change over 5 years (or the remaining available period of 5 years less the time already spent on TDRL) to make a difference for rating purposes. I actually think that many more conditions should result in TDRL placement as over 5 years, many conditions change.
I would look at this issue very carefully, as severance pay is a much worse outcome than TDRL. I also would NOT phrase your argument as WHY you want PDRL, but rather that your condition is stable (not likely to get better or worse). If you pursue this arguments, you are looking at demonstrating a diagnosis that has been present for a period of time, has been under treatment, and has not changed. An opinion from a health care provider (psychiatrist) that your condition is stable and unlikely to change would help.
I am not sure I would pursue an appeal on this basis. If you do, I wish you the best of luck.
Hello Everyone,
I received my med board findings today and was placed on the TDRL rated at 40%. I am in the Coast Guard so most of the terms referenced here are different from what CG policy is.
Hopefully someone can answer a few questions for me. I had 7yrs, 1 month, and 28 days in service as of the day the findings were drawn up and I am an E-4. I doubt and strongly hope that I will hit 8 yrs before my end date.
What are the exact entitlements you get while placed on the TDRL? I have seen the calculation on here but I am still confused.
What happens if the VA gives me a percentage as well? Will I only get pay if their percentage exceeds what the CG gave me or will I get pay for both simultaneously?
If my HOR is not located near a MTF will I be able to see civilian docs for continued care?
I was rated 30% for one condition and 20% for another but this is the calculation they sent me:
30+20=44 (rounds to 40%)
I thought 30+20=50; Am I missing something?
If I become eligible for advancement before my "Retirement" Date but do not advance by that day, will my calculation for pay be at an E-4 rate or E-5 rate?
On the TDRL will I be authorized to use commissary, exchange, mwr and other bene's offered to actual Retired personnel?
Does anyone have any experience with the "Home Awaiting Orders" stipulation? I am currently working only a half day and really not able to do anything to contribute to my job (my opinion). I would like to go back to my HOR, get set up with doctors there and settle in there with the support and help of my family. I am unsure if I would qualify for "Home Awaiting Orders" because I am still able to work half days.
Any help/advice that can be provided would be greatly appreciated; Thank You to all in advance!
E
I received my med board findings today and was placed on the TDRL rated at 40%. I am in the Coast Guard so most of the terms referenced here are different from what CG policy is.
Hopefully someone can answer a few questions for me. I had 7yrs, 1 month, and 28 days in service as of the day the findings were drawn up and I am an E-4. I doubt and strongly hope that I will hit 8 yrs before my end date.
What are the exact entitlements you get while placed on the TDRL? I have seen the calculation on here but I am still confused.
What happens if the VA gives me a percentage as well? Will I only get pay if their percentage exceeds what the CG gave me or will I get pay for both simultaneously?
If my HOR is not located near a MTF will I be able to see civilian docs for continued care?
I was rated 30% for one condition and 20% for another but this is the calculation they sent me:
30+20=44 (rounds to 40%)
I thought 30+20=50; Am I missing something?
If I become eligible for advancement before my "Retirement" Date but do not advance by that day, will my calculation for pay be at an E-4 rate or E-5 rate?
On the TDRL will I be authorized to use commissary, exchange, mwr and other bene's offered to actual Retired personnel?
Does anyone have any experience with the "Home Awaiting Orders" stipulation? I am currently working only a half day and really not able to do anything to contribute to my job (my opinion). I would like to go back to my HOR, get set up with doctors there and settle in there with the support and help of my family. I am unsure if I would qualify for "Home Awaiting Orders" because I am still able to work half days.
Any help/advice that can be provided would be greatly appreciated; Thank You to all in advance!
E
emoody,
Welcome and congratulations on your rating.
You are entitled to monthly retired pay (40% of the average of your 3 highest paid years of service, otherwise known as the high-3), TRICARE prime coverage, and all the perks of having a military ID (PX, commissary privileges, etc).
Short and simple answer, you receive the higher of the two. You cannot get both simultaneously unless you have CRDP (check it out with the search function). As of this writing, only 20 year retirees can collect both VA compensation and retired pay, those retired for physical disability with less than 20 years of service are not elgible for this benefit (yet). This issue can get complicated, but generally speaking, you simply receive the greater benefit.
Yes, you can utilize VA Hospitals or private civilian care (with TRICARE prime).
Combined ratings are tricky. Perform a search on this subject and you will see how they work. The calculation is probably correct.
Your pay is calculated by the high-3 formula, so promotion would not affect your retired pay.
Yes, placement on the TDRL makes you 'actual' retired personnel and you are entitled to all the benefits of a 20 year servicemember (minus concurrent receipt).
Not sure on this one. Is this a Coast Guard specific program? I wish they had something like that in the Army! I was in a similar 'do nothing' situation while pending retirement and was just kind of existing on active duty. If such a program is an option, it is certainly worth pursuing.
Hope this helps!
Welcome and congratulations on your rating.
You are entitled to monthly retired pay (40% of the average of your 3 highest paid years of service, otherwise known as the high-3), TRICARE prime coverage, and all the perks of having a military ID (PX, commissary privileges, etc).
Short and simple answer, you receive the higher of the two. You cannot get both simultaneously unless you have CRDP (check it out with the search function). As of this writing, only 20 year retirees can collect both VA compensation and retired pay, those retired for physical disability with less than 20 years of service are not elgible for this benefit (yet). This issue can get complicated, but generally speaking, you simply receive the greater benefit.
Yes, you can utilize VA Hospitals or private civilian care (with TRICARE prime).
Combined ratings are tricky. Perform a search on this subject and you will see how they work. The calculation is probably correct.
Your pay is calculated by the high-3 formula, so promotion would not affect your retired pay.
Yes, placement on the TDRL makes you 'actual' retired personnel and you are entitled to all the benefits of a 20 year servicemember (minus concurrent receipt).
Not sure on this one. Is this a Coast Guard specific program? I wish they had something like that in the Army! I was in a similar 'do nothing' situation while pending retirement and was just kind of existing on active duty. If such a program is an option, it is certainly worth pursuing.
Hope this helps!
When the IPEB first came back with my TDRL decision, my admin explained to me that I had the option to do home awaiting orders. From what I know, If your going to retire anyway, there is no reason for you to go to work everyday unless there is something you need to do there. When you choose the home awaiting orders option, it's like taking leave. I know after you complete this option they use all of your available leave towards the time you spent home awaiting orders. I'm not sure if you can use this option if you don't have leave on the books. The goal is to have you sell back as little leave as you can, so they give you the option to stay home and use your leave instead. The bottom line is that your command makes the decision of approval in these cases. My command was willing to hook me up in any way they could, so I used whatever option I was convenient to my family and I. And don't forget the 20 days PTAD you rate for house hunting and transitionl purposes (not sure if the coast guard offers this). I am on TDRL through the Marine Corps, so i'm sure you have to read the applicable orders for the coast guard. Make sure you read these orders and find out what you rate; TDRL is a rare occurance and most admins don't receive the proper training on how to handle it. Oh, I almost forgot. Even though you were rated at 40% by the IPEB, while on TDRL you automaticaly entitled to 50% of your high three.
Carnelli53 and Marine32,
Thank you both SO much for the information and guidence. I have been able to read up on some other things I have questions about but it was great that you all were able to give me answers to my individual questions.
Marine32,
Our Home Awaiting Orders rule is simular. I am only working half days right now, 0700-1100. That coupled with the fact I could be doing more to get myself better and work stress is steadily making me worst is the reason I want to do HAO. Do you think that is enough to request I do this?
Thank You again for all the help....I feel very informed now!!
E
Thank you both SO much for the information and guidence. I have been able to read up on some other things I have questions about but it was great that you all were able to give me answers to my individual questions.
Marine32,
Our Home Awaiting Orders rule is simular. I am only working half days right now, 0700-1100. That coupled with the fact I could be doing more to get myself better and work stress is steadily making me worst is the reason I want to do HAO. Do you think that is enough to request I do this?
Thank You again for all the help....I feel very informed now!!
E
"I was rated 30% for one condition and 20% for another but this is the calculation they sent me:
30+20=44 (rounds to 40%)
I thought 30+20=50; Am I missing something?"
After 30%, the remaining amount is 70%. Next, you take 20% of the remaining 70%= 14%. Hence, 30 + 14 = 44.
30+20=44 (rounds to 40%)
I thought 30+20=50; Am I missing something?"
After 30%, the remaining amount is 70%. Next, you take 20% of the remaining 70%= 14%. Hence, 30 + 14 = 44.
emoody,
I definately think your reason is justified for being granted home awaiting orders. The IPEB determined that you were unfit to continue service, so that pretty much explains that you cannot perform your job. There is really no reason for you to be at work. Now you need to worry about your transition (the next chapter of your life). Good luck!
I definately think your reason is justified for being granted home awaiting orders. The IPEB determined that you were unfit to continue service, so that pretty much explains that you cannot perform your job. There is really no reason for you to be at work. Now you need to worry about your transition (the next chapter of your life). Good luck!