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TDRL
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What documents did you bring to your TDRL periodic evaluations? How long were the evals? What did the evals consist of? Did you go through any major therapy for your injuries during the time between getting out of the service and these evaluations?
After reading all, or most of these horror stories, I am terrified for my family after I get my first Eval.
I am 60% DOD 80%VA TDRL. My NARSUM stated my conditions were not likely to improve in a five year
time frame even with being away from the Army BS. I have severe PTSD and need both knees replaced. Hips are bad, wrists are bad because of the cane. I am just going to get worse. If they take me off TDRL and just give me severance pay I, nor my family will be able to make it.
I am 60% DOD 80%VA TDRL. My NARSUM stated my conditions were not likely to improve in a five year
time frame even with being away from the Army BS. I have severe PTSD and need both knees replaced. Hips are bad, wrists are bad because of the cane. I am just going to get worse. If they take me off TDRL and just give me severance pay I, nor my family will be able to make it.
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Thank you so much for all your help. I have found that a lot of people, even in the medical field, do not know much about TDRL. God Bless you and thanks again.
Jason, what would you suggest I do? I plan on going to all my appointments when I get back to Tucson, Az. Both for my PTSD and for my knees. I am hoping that I can get both knees either partially replaced or maybe even a full knee replacements. After reading all, or most of these horror stories, I am terrified for my family after I get my first Eval.
I am 60% DOD 80%VA TDRL. My NARSUM stated my conditions were not likely to improve in a five year
time frame even with being away from the Army BS. I have severe PTSD and need both knees replaced. Hips are bad, wrists are bad because of the cane. I am just going to get worse. If they take me off TDRL and just give me severance pay I, nor my family will be able to make it.
I am 60% DOD 80%VA TDRL. My NARSUM stated my conditions were not likely to improve in a five year
time frame even with being away from the Army BS. I have severe PTSD and need both knees replaced. Hips are bad, wrists are bad because of the cane. I am just going to get worse. If they take me off TDRL and just give me severance pay I, nor my family will be able to make it.
Jason, what would you suggest I do? I plan on going to all my appointments when I get back to Tucson, Az. Both for my PTSD and for my knees. I am hoping that I can get both knees either partially replaced or maybe even a full knee replacements. After reading all, or most of these horror stories, I am terrified for my family after I get my first Eval.
I am 60% DOD 80%VA TDRL. My NARSUM stated my conditions were not likely to improve in a five year
time frame even with being away from the Army BS. I have severe PTSD and need both knees replaced. Hips are bad, wrists are bad because of the cane. I am just going to get worse. If they take me off TDRL and just give me severance pay I, nor my family will be able to make it.
I am 60% DOD 80%VA TDRL. My NARSUM stated my conditions were not likely to improve in a five year
time frame even with being away from the Army BS. I have severe PTSD and need both knees replaced. Hips are bad, wrists are bad because of the cane. I am just going to get worse. If they take me off TDRL and just give me severance pay I, nor my family will be able to make it.
After reading I'm trying to figure out retirement pay with temporary vs. permanent retirement. So I'm an 18 yr MSgt in the AF, let's use $1000 pay for easy math. If I'm rated at 40% DOD TDRL my pay would be $500 but on PDRL it would be $450 based on 2.5xYOS? If I'm rated at 70% DOD TDRL pay is $700 but still $450 once it goes permanent? Thanks for the help.
No, your PDRL pay is the 40% of the average of your last 3 years pay.
Also, you do not know what your permanent rating is going to be. You will be re-evaluated for changes- that is the point of TDRL. It will not necessarily be 50%. The 50% TDRL pay are for those who are rated lower than 50%, and they get 50% while on TDRL. On a good note, since you have 18 years in, your TDRL time will count towards you accomplishing your 20 years.
I would bet that I'll be TDRL since the largest unfitting claim is my back and per the schedule of ratings after reading my C&P report my back will be 60% and with the additional unfitting condition I'll be around 70% I don't think I'll make it to 80% which would cap me at 75%. So if I were to be 70% PDRL down the road, my retirement would be 70% of high 36? I don't expect any change in my condition, the downside is that I'll rate at 60% based on at least 6 weeks of debilitation in the prior 12 months, which means that they will more than likely lower my rating upon reevaluation.
TDRL is based on if it is believed your condition will improve or worsen. If you give me more info, I may be able to help as I used to attend fit and unfit meetings at the hospital.
If your do not believe your condition will change, it is more likely PDRL.
Your 6 weeks debilitation must be doctor prescribed (and not from surgeries), so be careful about the assumption.
Your PDRL will not be high 36, it will be the AVERAGE of your high 36.
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It's not an assumption it was on my C&P report, I've had 2 surgeries this year, several days off for injections, and I work half duty days now, per my PCM, my injury hasn't improved in 5 years and 5 surgeries, and when my PCM wrote her piece she stated that it was not expected to improve, and that her expectations were that it would worsen over time. That being said, prior to the MEB I was approved for a spinal cord stimulator and have plans on getting the implant once out. Just so you know when someone says high 36 or high 3, it's implied that it's the average of the high 36 months of pay.
Surgical and procedure days unfortuantely do not count. It must be doctor perscribed for "episodes", not treatment.
I'm just trying to help you. So you won't be surprised or pissed later and you can look at the other rateable items, such as ROM or nerve pain.
I did not know it was implied. I was medical, not MPF. I'm not trying to upset you, I'll stop answering if you like.
and high 36 is :
Final Pay and High 36 systems you earn 2.5% per year of service. That means you get 50% for 20 years of service up to a maximum of 100% for 40 years.
I am saying the average of your highest 36 months. The years of service and 2.5% do not calculate into that at all (which is implied in high 36). So it is differing.
Just because you do not like my answers, does not mean I was not trying to help you.
Best of luck to you!
Final Pay and High 36 systems you earn 2.5% per year of service. That means you get 50% for 20 years of service up to a maximum of 100% for 40 years.
You are correct, but they system also applies to those with less than 20 yrs of service that are retired.
As per http://militarypay.defense.gov/retirement/ad/03_highthree.html website:
High-3 Year Average Retirement System
This system applies to members who first entered Service after September 8, 1980, but before August 1, 1986. It also applies to individuals who entered on or after August 1, 1986, who do not elect the REDUX retirement system with the Career Status Bonus at their 15th year of service.
Each year of service is worth 2.5% toward the retirement multiplier. Hence, 2.5% x 20 years = 50% and 2.5% x 30 years = 75%. The longer an individual stays on active duty the higher the multiplier and the higher the retirement pay, up to the maximum of 75 percent.
This multiplier is applied against the average basic pay for the highest 36 months of the individual's career. (An individual's career can be less than 20yrs if he has medically retired.) This typically, though not always, equals the average basic pay for the final three years of service. Also, remember only basic pay is used in retirement calculations in all retirement system options. Allowances and special pays do not affect retired pay.
Cost of Living Adjustments are given annually based on the increase in the Consumer Price Index (CPI), a measure of inflation. Under the High-3, the annual COLA is equal to CPI. This is a different index than the one used for active duty annual pay raises. The index used for active duty pay raises are based upon average civilian wage increases. Thus, retirement pay COLAs and annual active duty pay raises will differ.
Also I don't think weapons loader was trying to be mean, he was just trying to give you a little helpful information.
Also Amy be careful on the information you give out, or maybe clarify a little.
"On a good note, since you have 18 years in, your TDRL time will count towards you accomplishing your 20 years."
If you meant this for pay purposes if you are found fit for duty and decide to rejoin the ranks, then you are correct.
If you meant this to mean that it counts towards retirement purposes, then that's incorrect.
If a person with 18 yrs is put on TDRL and 2 yrs later is fit to return to duty, he will not have 20 yrs and be eligible to retire, he will still need to do the 2 yrs in order to complete his 20. But, he will be paid for 20yrs instead of 18.
I think Jason mentioned this earlier in the post. I'm not trying to be mean, just clarifying a bit for some members who might get confused by what you posted.
I apologize. I was misinformed by my PEBLO. She tried to talk me into accepting my TDRL and told me it does. I'm sorry. I wasn't aware it was mis information.
Are TDRL completely separate? for instance: you get put on TDRL and they rate you 30% you file with VA they give you 60%. On you re-val they say you don't have enough evidence for migraines so we are dropping you from 30 to 10%. Does that effect you VA rating? and when you are on TDRL are you still in the military? I am confused about that.
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The VA is supposed to provide final ratings for IDES cases off of TDRL. This rule is being ignored by the military for the most part. (Which means it is appealable if it happens to you).
On the TDRL you are temporarily retired. In the military? Depends on how you define that and what you mean. You have no duty station, are free to move and live as you please. Technically, UCMJ applies to you just like it does any other retiree. But, in practice, I am aware of only one case since WWII where a TDRL retiree was ever charged with a crime. It does not happen.
I know I'm tired, but how did that go from "does your VA rating drop" to UCMJ and a TDRL criminal?
LOL, just poking fun.
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LOL, just poking fun.
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I know this is kind of off topic but I dont know how to start a new thread! Got a weird 2000$ deposit this month from dfas. I am rated 70% from the army and 80% from the VA and on the tdrl. I never get anything from the army monthly just my compensation from the VA. So obviously i put it in savings. And does anyone else have an issue getting a hold of dfas its freaking ridiculous; I call like 6 times a day since the first and i get the same conversation ending message that there is an extreme call volume try again later CLICK!!!! I know its not crdp cause i didnt serve 20 years and i know its not crsc cause i haven't applied yet. I appreciate in advance the time you all put into this thread.