Question about 10 Point Preference for Veterans

The door "seat belt" was worthless.

The blackhawk was a fun aircraft to jump from. Other than a Thai-Balloon jump, it was the only aircraft, I could hear most of the retention bands snapping. With balloons, I could hear all of them releasing. Silly us, jumping from an aircraft that can land in a smaller LZ than the jumpers DZ (still fun).

Always better to be away from the aircraft when it lands. 99.9% of people that die in an aircraft, do so when the aircraft comes in contact with the ground. Therefore...

When I was in jump school at Benning, we used the C119 flying boxcars. I had NO faith in its ability to land! I GLADLY jumped from it!
 
I agree but I am telling you there are ways around it.

True. If the agency is trying to hire a specific individual, and 10 Point Vets are on the list. They can cancel the list, and start it again later. Repeat this process, until they get who they want...
 
When I was in jump school at Benning, we used the C119 flying boxcars. I had NO faith in its ability to land! I GLADLY jumped from it!

Back in 1985, the USAF had a C141, and a C130 stationed on an airstrip across the AL state line. The C141 was the barfmobile. It took 7-9 passes to empty on the DZ. :eek: As my last act of defiance, I handed my barf bag to the loadmaster on the way out! LOL. It was my 5th jump, so I didn't care if I pissed him off... :p
 
True. If the agency is trying to hire a specific individual, and 10 Point Vets are on the list. They can cancel the list, and start it again later. Repeat this process, until they get who they want...

It's not just that. You also have to meet the basic qualifications for the job. If you do that, then your resume gets to the best qualified stack, but you still have to meet basic requirements. First a computer will look for keywords in your resume and then route it to a human to check your resume against the qualifications and your answers to the questionnaire. If you can't back up your answers with a resume that shows experience, you will not get sent through.
 
An additional benifit of a "Schedule A" letter is that the department can create a position to train the individual, and put him/her to work (internships...)

I am attempting to figure out this whole veterans preference because I have heard conflicting information.

So once I receive my final ratings, the VA letter, it will be the supporting document for the SF-15. I am greater than 30% so does that make me CPX +10 pts?

I will start to research this process while awaiting some insightful guidance...
 
The day your ratings are final, go to Ebenefits. Go to the "my documents" section. The 10 point letter will be there. When you apply for a federal job, you fill out an SF-15. The 10 point letter gets attached to the SF-15. This is what the employer will use to verify your preference. After they approve the SF-15, you will then have an adjudicated SF-15 that can be used to apply for any federal job.

The 10 point preference is on top of your score of 0-100. That score is based on how well you are qualified via your resume and questionnaire answers when applying. A guy without preference maxes out at 100. You will max out at 110.
 
Just a thought that popped into my head. In a Reduction in Force (RIF) a regular military retiree does not receive veterans preference. But a 30 percent or greater disability rating puts you BEFORE a regular veteran. Let me explain. When a RIF is being conducted there are groupings of employees. The first group is 30 percent or greater veterans. The person with the least senority and poorest performance ratings (its a combination) is the man out. But he (or she of course) can bump anyone in the lessor categories. The next category is five point veterans. Then comes non-veterans. Then it used to be people with less than 3 years of service and temporary employees (I think thats changed a bit).

I've been through 2 RIFs and survived because I'm a veteran.
 
I am attempting to figure out this whole veterans preference because I have heard conflicting information.

So once I receive my final ratings, the VA letter, it will be the supporting document for the SF-15. I am greater than 30% so does that make me CPX +10 pts?

I will start to research this process while awaiting some insightful guidance...

Take a look at Post #26 (above). Ranger2992 has been a great resource.
 
Just a thought that popped into my head. In a Reduction in Force (RIF) a regular military retiree does not receive veterans preference. But a 30 percent or greater disability rating puts you BEFORE a regular veteran. Let me explain. When a RIF is being conducted there are groupings of employees. The first group is 30 percent or greater veterans. The person with the least senority and poorest performance ratings (its a combination) is the man out. But he (or she of course) can bump anyone in the lessor categories. The next category is five point veterans. Then comes non-veterans. Then it used to be people with less than 3 years of service and temporary employees (I think thats changed a bit).

I've been through 2 RIFs and survived because I'm a veteran.

Absolutely correct Ed. The veterans preference puts you in a very high cat when it comes to a RIF. I am the newest hire here at DCMA, but will bump a lot of people who have been around for longer because of it. Good point and thank you for bringing that up.
 
I applied for a few federal jobs and received my 10 point preference on each of them before separating using only the SF15, retirement orders and VA proposed ratings.

Good Deal! I guess it just depends on the agency. Your sure you got the full 10, or did they give you the 5 point for being a veteran. I was awarded the 5 points every time, but didn't get the 10. I also didn't send my proposed ratings because I didn't want the employer to know what conditions I was retired for. I thought it might hurt me if they new about back problems, or depression. That's what is nice about the letter after you get out. It only states you have 30% or better.
 
Good Deal! I guess it just depends on the agency. Your sure you got the full 10, or did they give you the 5 point for being a veteran. I was awarded the 5 points every time, but didn't get the 10. I also didn't send my proposed ratings because I didn't want the employer to know what conditions I was retired for. I thought it might hurt me if they new about back problems, or depression. That's what is nice about the letter after you get out. It only states you have 30% or better.

On each of the referral letters (including the job I ended up taking), under Vet Pref, it says "10-Point 30 Percent Compensable Disability Preference (CPS)"
 
Well that's good news, I am glad it worked out. It's always nice to have choices as to how to submit. What kind of job did you end up with? I ended up at DCMA
 
I ended up at DoD in Wash DC, didn't get preference until I had my VA letter the week after I started working. I'm listed as 10 point in the system so I'm covered for RIF if it comes to that. Just this week they updated my Service Computation Date for leave to March 1996 due to my being medically retired due to combat injury, I'm now earning 8 hours of leave per pay period.
 
Yes another awesome benefit Frosty. I am 1 year away from getting the 8 hours myself
 
Yes another awesome benefit Frosty. I am 1 year away from getting the 8 hours myself

How exactly does the leave accrual credit work? Is it based only on active federal service? I have 13 years 27 days of total active service, but I also have 2 years 8 months and 2 days service in the ARNG (listed as inactive service on my DD214). I assume I'll be in the 6 hour/period category, but am secretly hoping to bump in the 8 hour category.
 
You have to have been retired as a result of a combat injury. If so, then they use your years in service in the calculation for accruing leave. So basically with my 13 years 3 months, I am the same as a GS who has been there 13 years and 3 months for accruing leave.
 
You have to have been retired as a result of a combat injury. If so, then they use your years in service in the calculation for accruing leave. So basically with my 13 years 3 months, I am the same as a GS who has been there 13 years and 3 months for accruing leave.

Ahhh...another reason I maybe should have questioned the fact that my unfit memo, 3947 and NARSUM all stated the injury occurred in a combat zone, but the 199 and retirement orders say NO.
 
When you submit your SF 15 it has to have your veterans preference letter as an attachment. You don't get the veterans preference letter until you have final ratings. So if you are sending it in without the letter, you will get 5 points, not 10. They need the letter for 10. It's how they adjudicate the SF 15. If you go to the link listed below, I wrote a whole guide on the federal hiring process.

http://www.pebforum.com/site/threads/disabled-veteran-jobs.17451/#post-76819

Great info!
 
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