Physical Disability Board of Review Update

Just a point of clarification (assuming there is any confusion). The award of a temporary 50% ratings under VASRD 4.129 is not contingent on having PTSD or it being combat-related. It only requires that the member is separated due to a stressful event. So, things like a CONUS car accident, assault by a stranger, domestic violence, etc. could be stressors. Also, there is no requirement that the condition caused by the stressor is PTSD. It could be a depressive disorder or an anxiety disorder or any other mental health condition that is precipitated by the stressful event.

Now, having a PTSD diagnosis likely will key the PEB (or BCMR or PDBR) to this issue and lessen the need to show the causation between the event and the condition (because PTSD is by definition a result of a stressful event).

Just some things to keep in mind.
 
Just a point of clarification (assuming there is any confusion). The award of a temporary 50% ratings under VASRD 4.129 is not contingent on having PTSD or it being combat-related. It only requires that the member is separated due to a stressful event. So, things like a CONUS car accident, assault by a stranger, domestic violence, etc. could be stressors. Also, there is no requirement that the condition caused by the stressor is PTSD. It could be a depressive disorder or an anxiety disorder or any other mental health condition that is precipitated by the stressful event.

Now, having a PTSD diagnosis likely will key the PEB (or BCMR or PDBR) to this issue and lessen the need to show the causation between the event and the condition (because PTSD is by definition a result of a stressful event).

Just some things to keep in mind.

Hey Guys,

GeIn, It wasnt PTSD, it was for my back, they rejected my PTSD. Jason, my PTSD was combat related and it was proven through multiple reports and granted service connection. This was done before all those other policies came out, I fought really hard for that distinction. They tried to say I never was in the area I was in and never observed what I did. I even have newspaper articles and other servicemember testimonies to it all, thats how I won VA.
 
In order to be rated 50% for PTSD it must have been severe enough to warrant removal from active duty. Big Will and the soldier I am assisting have the same problem. The PEB did not find them unfit for PTSD but rather picked another condition that resulted in a lower, non disability retirement level disability rating. The PDBR is refusing to address the PTSD condition in their review to see if it should have been deemed independently unfitting or even if it contributed to unfitness. Again, DoD is doing the least possible to avoid paying disability benefits. Until the DoD culture truly changes, disabled service members will continued to get screwed over.

Mike
 
Mike,

Thanks for clarifying my clarification! I omitted discussion of that because by definition, to get a DoD rating, it has to be an unfitting condition...which gets you to separation. But, it is good to note this...

Basically, that means there are two classes of PDBR cases out there where this provision impacts the outcome.

1) Those who were unfit for PTSD (or other condition) due to highly stressful event at the PEB and were erroneously rated at less than 50%. There is no question that the DoD acknowledges this as of Jan. 28, 2008 (effective date of 2008 NDAA). However, I think that the previous regulations were in conflict with the plain language of the law that they apply VASRD. So, it is worth arguing in either circumstance.

2) Those who were not unfit at the PEB. Now, with the PDBR, there are two further issues. Will the PDBR even entertain the claim? And if so, was the member unfit at the time of separation due to PTSD (or other condition).

From the DoDI 6040.44, it appears that you have to ask for the review. This whole issue is a subset of the issue of what the PDBR has to review. I argue that the statutory language is clear..."(c) REVIEW.—

Upon the request of a covered individual, or a surviving spouse, next of kin, or legal representative of a covered individual, the Physical Disability Board of Review shall review the findings and decisions of the Physical Evaluation Board with respect to such covered individual." To me, this indicates that the PDBR must review any finding or decision of the PEB. This would include EVERYTHING, from conditions, diagnosis, rating, admin data, combat-related findings, etc.

The problem I see is that if you do not ask them to review something, it will be difficult to win on appeal to a reviewing court that the PDBR failed to review something you never asked them to review. (This is enormously complicated and touches on many different concepts and laws)...But, even IF you could later appeal, I see no reason that you would not raise it in the original PDBR application (of course, I understand that many claimants will not have an attorney when they file, so they will likely miss some of the issues). But, for those going forward, it is safe to say you want to file as complete of an application asking for the relief you want as early as possible in the process.

And, of course, the final step would be proving the unfitness at the time of separation. A high VA rating for the same condition, limited or non-existent work history starting at or near in time after separation, occupational impairment reports, and medical treatment notes, as well as your lay written testimony, all may be evidence that shows the unfitness.
 
My application to me seems very clear. The only way i would not get a retirement out of it is if they don't use the VASRD like they said they would but the DOD modified version. I was rated 10% by the CG for OCD and Panic Disorder but my VA rating that is retro to my discharge date gave me 30% for the same thing. I hope they use the VASRD and do the right thing. I had trouble using a CPAP and was on sleep medication on a ship and they did not find that unfitting. I developed severe allergies which i have never had and had to go on allergen shots. That in the CG made me unfit for worldwide assignment because cutters don't have doctors in case of anaphalactic (sp?) shock. Mental disorders go from 10 percent to 30, i hope they don't try to jam me with 20 percent. I am very nervous.
 
Mike,

Thanks for clarifying my clarification! I omitted discussion of that because by definition, to get a DoD rating, it has to be an unfitting condition...which gets you to separation. But, it is good to note this...

Basically, that means there are two classes of PDBR cases out there where this provision impacts the outcome.

1) Those who were unfit for PTSD (or other condition) due to highly stressful event at the PEB and were erroneously rated at less than 50%. There is no question that the DoD acknowledges this as of Jan. 28, 2008 (effective date of 2008 NDAA). However, I think that the previous regulations were in conflict with the plain language of the law that they apply VASRD. So, it is worth arguing in either circumstance.

2) Those who were not unfit at the PEB. Now, with the PDBR, there are two further issues. Will the PDBR even entertain the claim? And if so, was the member unfit at the time of separation due to PTSD (or other condition).

From the DoDI 6040.44, it appears that you have to ask for the review. This whole issue is a subset of the issue of what the PDBR has to review. I argue that the statutory language is clear..."(c) REVIEW.—

Upon the request of a covered individual, or a surviving spouse, next of kin, or legal representative of a covered individual, the Physical Disability Board of Review shall review the findings and decisions of the Physical Evaluation Board with respect to such covered individual." To me, this indicates that the PDBR must review any finding or decision of the PEB. This would include EVERYTHING, from conditions, diagnosis, rating, admin data, combat-related findings, etc.

The problem I see is that if you do not ask them to review something, it will be difficult to win on appeal to a reviewing court that the PDBR failed to review something you never asked them to review. (This is enormously complicated and touches on many different concepts and laws)...But, even IF you could later appeal, I see no reason that you would not raise it in the original PDBR application (of course, I understand that many claimants will not have an attorney when they file, so they will likely miss some of the issues). But, for those going forward, it is safe to say you want to file as complete of an application asking for the relief you want as early as possible in the process.

And, of course, the final step would be proving the unfitness at the time of separation. A high VA rating for the same condition, limited or non-existent work history starting at or near in time after separation, occupational impairment reports, and medical treatment notes, as well as your lay written testimony, all may be evidence that shows the unfitness.

Hey Jason,

I think this might have to turn into either an appeal, or class action. I am also blasting government officials with letters and media avenues to see If I can get any bites out of the deal.

Also you bring up some very good points!
 
My application to me seems very clear. The only way i would not get a retirement out of it is if they don't use the VASRD like they said they would but the DOD modified version. I was rated 10% by the CG for OCD and Panic Disorder but my VA rating that is retro to my discharge date gave me 30% for the same thing. I hope they use the VASRD and do the right thing. I had trouble using a CPAP and was on sleep medication on a ship and they did not find that unfitting. I developed severe allergies which i have never had and had to go on allergen shots. That in the CG made me unfit for worldwide assignment because cutters don't have doctors in case of anaphalactic (sp?) shock. Mental disorders go from 10 percent to 30, i hope they don't try to jam me with 20 percent. I am very nervous.

Sem,

Either way, I wish you the best, if you get the bad news, we are fighting it! Hang in there!
 
Hey Guys,

Just to let everyone know, I am going to be contacted by a New York Times reporter this week and I will go over with him what I went through so far. Hopefully that will give us some exposure out in the civilian world and let people know whats going on. I also got a hold of CNN, no response yet. Also wrote a letter to my Congressman, and the President. Dunno if that will do any good, but I figured anything will help right about now. Thanks Jay and Mike for your help so far in your experience and sharing info from your end. I don't know where I would be if I didn't find this forum and get support from you all.

Jonathan "Big Will" Williams
 
hey, we are with you on THIS, because it ain't over till its over, and in this case it ain;t going to be over until all disable veteran get justice, the veterans who comes out of this with a retirement,PLEASE dont forget your fellow veterans,(brothers and sisters) who still has to fight for the benefits that we, they deserve,hey i look at it this way, we did iraq and afganisthan and we survive, injuried, but we are alive, we can beat the dod-pdbr board at they game so all disable veterans get the retirement and benfits that is EARNED.
 
hey, we are with you on THIS, because it ain't over till its over, and in this case it ain;t going to be over until all disable veteran get justice, the veterans who comes out of this with a retirement,PLEASE dont forget your fellow veterans,(brothers and sisters) who still has to fight for the benefits that we, they deserve,hey i look at it this way, we did iraq and afganisthan and we survive, injuried, but we are alive, we can beat the dod-pdbr board at they game so all disable veterans get the retirement and benfits that is EARNED.

I hear ya Gein! Im not leaving anyone behind! Im fighting this not for me but for everyone going through this and everyone that will be going through this soon! Something needs to be done, and Im not going to sit around and watch the DOD-PDBR get away with snowballing already lowballed veterans.
 
So, I have written this post over and over. This time I will spare all of you my vulgar language.

My name is Michael Christian Case 190.
Original Service USAF
Type 1 Diabetes.
Year Seperated 2003

RETIREMENT DENIED (AGAIN)

My case was decided June 30, 2003 and I recieved notification today by mail in a vanilla documents envelope. Aug 10, 2006

I will come back later and develop a time line.


If any of the big dogs want to see a denial letter for gee whiz have Jason contact me and I will scan it to him.

This sucks donkey balls.
Mike
 
Big Will,

By law, you cannot seek relief from the BCMR once you go to the PDBR. I did pass your info to the reporter working this story.

Mike
 
So, I have written this post over and over. This time I will spare all of you my vulgar language.

My name is Michael Christian Case 190.
Original Service USAF
Type 1 Diabetes.
Year Seperated 2003

RETIREMENT DENIED (AGAIN)

My case was decided June 30, 2003 and I recieved notification today by mail in a vanilla documents envelope. Aug 10, 2006

I will come back later and develop a time line.


If any of the big dogs want to see a denial letter for gee whiz have Jason contact me and I will scan it to him.

This sucks donkey balls.
Mike

Man I hate to hear stuff like this. I really wish we can get some good news from someone. My files from the VA still have not reached the board.
 
Big Will,

By law, you cannot seek relief from the BCMR once you go to the PDBR. I did pass your info to the reporter working this story.

Mike

Sir,

I still feel there was a grave error made in my decision. They still did not use my VARSRD rating as the criteria in my case.

Mike
 
Hey Mike Parker,

I hear what your saying and understand, but the way it looks to me is that this PDBR case "recommendation" is now being submitted once approved by the Chief of Staff to go to the BCMR for their approval or denial. At that point can't we appeal that? Or send a letter to the Chief of Staff of our branch? It's probably to late now for me.

I guess now its just a media battle for clout to tell everyone out their our stories and hopefully get civilian, veteran, and political backing.

Mike "brokenairman" did your PDBR case 190 get denied completely? Not even a freakin increase? What BS did they use on yours?

By the way, thanks Mike for passing my info along, I'll give him the full run down from my end.
 
You know, I dont think any of these "mentally challenged" individuals in the PDBR and associated with the group know that some of us have actually came together and are monitoring everyone's cases. So far they are batting a 1000 on denials??? WTF my man Mike can't even get a 10% increase due to disregarding policy again!!! I don't think the PDBR is taking the congressional "April shooting" literally. The blaitent disregarded for policy, its more like..."yeah we will change it!" "Just don't follow it!"

Sorry guys, just venting..
 
I hear ya Gein! Im not leaving anyone behind! Im fighting this not for me but for everyone going through this and everyone that will be going through this soon! Something needs to be done, and Im not going to sit around and watch the DOD-PDBR get away with snowballing already lowballed veterans.


Has anyone recieved any good news from the PDBR? I agree that something needs to be done. If I can help in anyway PLZ let me know!
 
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