Would I be entitled to crsc
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If that is your DFAS RAS, it shows that you have waived retired pay in order to receive VA compensation. That is one of the requirements for CRSC.
If you would like for one of us to give you an estimate of CRSC, please provide the answers requested in the info sheet linked below:
Information necessary for CRSC estimate: LINK <---
Please provide ALL your info in one reply and address each numbered item even if you feel it/they are not pertinent. Note that example replies are provieded in the outline.
Ron
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gross pay = pay before deductions
Net pay = remaining pay after deductions
VA compensation = is not pay; it is compensation
residual retired pay = retired pay, if any, after the VA waiver is applied (dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation)
Generally, a disability retiree will receive the lesser of the following for CRSC:
--Longevity portion of retired pay
--The amount associated with the approved CRSC percentage by service. The amounts mirror the rates in the VA comp tables.
If you would like for one of us to give you an estimate of CRSC, please provide the answers requested in the info sheet linked below:
Information necessary for CRSC estimate: LINK <---
Please provide ALL your info in one reply and address each numbered item even if you feel it/they are not pertinent. Note that example replies are provieded in the outline.
Ron
edited to add:
gross pay = pay before deductions
Net pay = remaining pay after deductions
VA compensation = is not pay; it is compensation
residual retired pay = retired pay, if any, after the VA waiver is applied (dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation)
Generally, a disability retiree will receive the lesser of the following for CRSC:
--Longevity portion of retired pay
--The amount associated with the approved CRSC percentage by service. The amounts mirror the rates in the VA comp tables.
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Residual retired pay: Some CH 61 retirees have residual retired pay (left over) after the reduction of retired pay dollar for dollar in the amount of the VA comp.
Residual retired pay plus CRSC cannot exceed the dollar amount of the longevity portion of retired pay.
Chapter 61 Disability Retirees:
Each CH 61 case involves these ceilings and other factors:
—Must be entitled to retired pay
—Agrees to waive retired pay in the amount of VA compensation received.
—CRSC cannot exceed the amount of the waived retired pay.
—CRSC cannot exceed the amount of the approved CRSC percentage (amt in VA Comp tables).
—CRSC cannot exceed the dollar amount of the longevity portion of retired pay.
—CRSC when combined with residual retired pay cannot exceed the longevity amount.
As one can see, more than one of the ceilings shown above could apply to the retiree. In those cases, the lesser amount is the CRSC amount.
Ron
Residual retired pay plus CRSC cannot exceed the dollar amount of the longevity portion of retired pay.
Chapter 61 Disability Retirees:
Each CH 61 case involves these ceilings and other factors:
—Must be entitled to retired pay
—Agrees to waive retired pay in the amount of VA compensation received.
—CRSC cannot exceed the amount of the waived retired pay.
—CRSC cannot exceed the amount of the approved CRSC percentage (amt in VA Comp tables).
—CRSC cannot exceed the dollar amount of the longevity portion of retired pay.
—CRSC when combined with residual retired pay cannot exceed the longevity amount.
As one can see, more than one of the ceilings shown above could apply to the retiree. In those cases, the lesser amount is the CRSC amount.
Ron
Hello @Army1987
Here is an estimate based on the information you provided.
a. 2324/70% =3320 average high three base pay
b. Retired pay of 2324 is reduced to zero by the amount of VA comp received
c. Active duty or active duty equivalent 6.083 x 2.5% = 15.21% longevity multiplier
d. 3320 x 15.21% = 594.97 longevity portion of retired pay and a CRSC ceiling
e. Based on the info you provided: Your CRSC will be the lesser of 594.97 OR the percentage amount in the VA comp tables that mirrors the CRSC percentage approved by your service. It is likely that your longevity amount ~594 will be your CRSC.
Ron
Note: If Army, your active duty or active duty equivalent is shown on your retirement orders, 3/4 down on first page as "Disability Retirement."
Thanks. I looked at my orders and under disability retirement it says not applicable next to it.
I was worried Bc I had seen some people threads stating that even though they were awarded crsc, it amounted to zero . How far back can they go for retro pay as well? I know 6 years but is there other decisive dates that they could use before that six year mark?
I was worried Bc I had seen some people threads stating that even though they were awarded crsc, it amounted to zero . How far back can they go for retro pay as well? I know 6 years but is there other decisive dates that they could use before that six year mark?
Thank you for sharing that information. I have seen many disability retirements that showed the number of AD or AD equivalent years under "disability retirement." Obviously, yours does not. Perhaps, the others all had some reserve time and that is the reason...just a guess. Was all your time active duty?
Your approved effective date for CRSC cannot be prior to the date of retirement.
You have to waive retired pay dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation received in order to receive CRSC. Obviously, one must be in receipt of VA compensation.
Offhand, I cannot think of anything else that would impact your CRSC date other than the six-year barring rule which the Soto vs. the U.S. changed. Evidently, DFAS is still working on how to implement that decision.
The folks who received zero CRSC had significant residual retired pay. The combination of CRSC and residual retired pay cannot exceed the dollar amount of the longevity portion of retired pay. That should have been clearly shown in the computation if the cases you saw with zero CRSC were computed on the site.
Good luck,
Ron
I had some national guard time before the active duty time but I think national guard time somehow is different than army reserve component time. Your responses are a huge help. Last question. If I wanted to get an idea of a retro payment dollar amount, I would just take the roughly $594 and multiply it by the amount of months going all the way back to July of 2016 correct ?
Thank you.
You could use the method you described to get a rough estimate. However, the rate for the preceding years would be different since they have different COLA rates applied. To get the old rate for the 12 months preceding 1 December 2021, using your longevity amount of about 594. The following is a consideration:
1. The current rate of 594 is 5.9% more than an unknown amount.
2. 594/1.059 = ~ 561 for the 12 months before 1 December 2021
Each year would require separate computation backing out of the previous COLA increase. I don't compute retro CRSC for that reason. I did do one recently, but that will be my last; I would not do it for even my own.
If I wanted to guess at my retro CRSC; I would use your proposed method and get a general idea of what I might receive, but with the understanding it will be less than that figure.
Good luck,
Ron
You could use the method you described to get a rough estimate. However, the rate for the preceding years would be different since they have different COLA rates applied. To get the old rate for the 12 months preceding 1 December 2021, using your longevity amount of about 594. The following is a consideration:
1. The current rate of 594 is 5.9% more than an unknown amount.
2. 594/1.059 = ~ 561 for the 12 months before 1 December 2021
Each year would require separate computation backing out of the previous COLA increase. I don't compute retro CRSC for that reason. I did do one recently, but that will be my last; I would not do it for even my own.
If I wanted to guess at my retro CRSC; I would use your proposed method and get a general idea of what I might receive, but with the understanding it will be less than that figure.
Good luck,
Ron
Your CRSC entitlement should include both TDRL and PDRL.
If you are going to "de-COLA" rates and amounts, AARP is one place where you can easily find the old COLA rates.
Ron
Go ahead and send in your application. It looks like you have a very good change of being approved based on your orders says YES to the Combat Related/Instrumentality of War lines. And even if you get zero dollars (which it looks like you will be receiving money for it), the laws in the future may change and benefit retroactively if the approval has already been granted.
CRSC application review is not like the VA claims decision, you do not have to worry about your anything being changed with your DOD/VA ratings, no exams, nothing. Just send in your application, supporting paperwork (Retirement orders, 199, MEB packet) and wait for their yes or no. And if no, see what they say and gather evidence to support what holes they point out.
CRSC application review is not like the VA claims decision, you do not have to worry about your anything being changed with your DOD/VA ratings, no exams, nothing. Just send in your application, supporting paperwork (Retirement orders, 199, MEB packet) and wait for their yes or no. And if no, see what they say and gather evidence to support what holes they point out.
Thanks man for your input. It’s reassuring. I actually submitted my app this past week. I put my 214, men/peb proceedings, da199, combat infantry badge award / orders and all VA rating decisions. I was trying to get an idea if at all possible of any ballpark back pay amounts I could calculate using my dfas RAS
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Great! I know a lot of people on here are hesitant to apply based off their experience with the nightmare that the VA claims process can be/become.
The only help the DFAS RAS provided, albeit important, was the gross amount of retired pay and the fact all your pay is offset by VA comp. The gross was divided by the DOD disability percentage to determine the high three.
Ron
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