My husband has 28 years in the military. Some in the Marines and the rest Army National Guard. He has served in Desert Storm and various other activations (mainly natural disasters). It shows disability retirement as 6 years. Section 1405 9 years and Basic Pay 28 years. What exactly do these mean? Also, they don't show how they came up with this time. I spent all day today at this computer creating a timeline for his complete military time. I don't come up with 6 or 9 years for anything. He claims the person that made this retirement order just wanted his DD 214's. Nothing else. But even the DD 214's add up to more time then that.
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- Thread starter crmason
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crmason,
Ive seen this situation many times. I am an active duty career counselor and a lot of times the many ways given to document active, inactive, reserve, guard and/or sister service time is not correct. I refer you to AR 635-200 chapter 12. If you google it, its the first one to come up off the USAPA website. Chapter 12 gives us an idea of what service counts for active, inactive time. The best course of action is to gather up all 214s, orders NGB 22s and any other document that tell some kind of service, make an appointment to have a DA1506 done up at the local PAC or AG office. This form will have every period of service documented and an AG officer will have to sign off on it. This will give you two very important dates. The BASD and the PEBD. BASD is the adjusted Basic Actice Service Date. The PEBD is the Pay Entry Base Date. I suspect the PEBD is correct given the 28 year time frame. I also suspect that the BASD is not correct and needs to be adjusted.
When this date is determined, you take todays date whatever that may be and subtract the BASD from it to get total active duty time and therefore the time attributable toward retirement.
I will give you mine as an example. I have active duty from April 3, 1985 to 30 June 1992. I went into the reserves on 1 July 1992 and then I came back on active duty 18 September 1998 and am still serving on active duty.
Since I have no break in military service, active, reserve, active my PEBD is April 3, 1985. My BASD is another story.
Today is July 12 2008.
So the math is done as such, YYMMDD
End of first period of service for me is 920630
Begining of first service is.You subtract the difference) 850403
070227 or 7 years 2 months and 27 days. 30 days minus 03 is 27, 06 months minus 04 is 02 months, 1992 minus 1985 is 07 years.
I came back on active duty on 980918. The rules say take the last period of continous active duty and subtract any previous active duty.
So for me it written as such. YYMMDD 980918
Minus the active time already served 070227
This is my adjusted BASD 910621
How you do the math is every month counts as 30 days. I am not subracting February or December per say. I am using 30 day as my benchmark. So in my example above the day column is 18 minus 27 which cant be done so I have to borrow a month from the middle column, in my case Im borrow 1 month from 09 so it gets changed to 08 and then the month I borrowed is converted to 30 day and then added to 18 to give me a total of 48 days. Now we can subract 48 days from 27 days giving me 21. The month column is done next and now the 09 has been reduced to 08, so 08 minus 02 is 06. Next is the year column, 98 minus 07 is 91. So my adjusted BASD is June (06) 21st, 1991.
Easy, right? If you have many active service periods you must do this math and then add them together.
Now to get my total active time we use today's date 080712
Minus my adjusted BASD 910621
Same borrowing rules apply but my total is 170021
Or 17 years no months and 21 of active duty time.
My years for pay are calcuted much the same way but since I have no break in service, it looks like this 080712
Minus my PEBD 850403
230309
Or 23 years, 3 months and 09 days. I know this looks confusing but if you write all the dates as YYMMDD and remeber the borrowing rules if you need to borrow then you can calculate within a day or so what each of these date should be.
RCM7
Ive seen this situation many times. I am an active duty career counselor and a lot of times the many ways given to document active, inactive, reserve, guard and/or sister service time is not correct. I refer you to AR 635-200 chapter 12. If you google it, its the first one to come up off the USAPA website. Chapter 12 gives us an idea of what service counts for active, inactive time. The best course of action is to gather up all 214s, orders NGB 22s and any other document that tell some kind of service, make an appointment to have a DA1506 done up at the local PAC or AG office. This form will have every period of service documented and an AG officer will have to sign off on it. This will give you two very important dates. The BASD and the PEBD. BASD is the adjusted Basic Actice Service Date. The PEBD is the Pay Entry Base Date. I suspect the PEBD is correct given the 28 year time frame. I also suspect that the BASD is not correct and needs to be adjusted.
When this date is determined, you take todays date whatever that may be and subtract the BASD from it to get total active duty time and therefore the time attributable toward retirement.
I will give you mine as an example. I have active duty from April 3, 1985 to 30 June 1992. I went into the reserves on 1 July 1992 and then I came back on active duty 18 September 1998 and am still serving on active duty.
Since I have no break in military service, active, reserve, active my PEBD is April 3, 1985. My BASD is another story.
Today is July 12 2008.
So the math is done as such, YYMMDD
End of first period of service for me is 920630
Begining of first service is.You subtract the difference) 850403
070227 or 7 years 2 months and 27 days. 30 days minus 03 is 27, 06 months minus 04 is 02 months, 1992 minus 1985 is 07 years.
I came back on active duty on 980918. The rules say take the last period of continous active duty and subtract any previous active duty.
So for me it written as such. YYMMDD 980918
Minus the active time already served 070227
This is my adjusted BASD 910621
How you do the math is every month counts as 30 days. I am not subracting February or December per say. I am using 30 day as my benchmark. So in my example above the day column is 18 minus 27 which cant be done so I have to borrow a month from the middle column, in my case Im borrow 1 month from 09 so it gets changed to 08 and then the month I borrowed is converted to 30 day and then added to 18 to give me a total of 48 days. Now we can subract 48 days from 27 days giving me 21. The month column is done next and now the 09 has been reduced to 08, so 08 minus 02 is 06. Next is the year column, 98 minus 07 is 91. So my adjusted BASD is June (06) 21st, 1991.
Easy, right? If you have many active service periods you must do this math and then add them together.
Now to get my total active time we use today's date 080712
Minus my adjusted BASD 910621
Same borrowing rules apply but my total is 170021
Or 17 years no months and 21 of active duty time.
My years for pay are calcuted much the same way but since I have no break in service, it looks like this 080712
Minus my PEBD 850403
230309
Or 23 years, 3 months and 09 days. I know this looks confusing but if you write all the dates as YYMMDD and remeber the borrowing rules if you need to borrow then you can calculate within a day or so what each of these date should be.
RCM7
crmason
Do you have a copy of his "[FONT="]ARMY NATIONAL GUARD CURRENT ANNUAL STATEMENT" it is the list of all his AD and Drill times it is also called a RPAM. At your state HQ in the G1 someone can print this out at any time, his unit should also be able to print one. You should be able to compare this to your records and see what is missing.
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Do you have a copy of his "[FONT="]ARMY NATIONAL GUARD CURRENT ANNUAL STATEMENT" it is the list of all his AD and Drill times it is also called a RPAM. At your state HQ in the G1 someone can print this out at any time, his unit should also be able to print one. You should be able to compare this to your records and see what is missing.
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Okay this is starting to make sense...
The form 1506 is very very helpful. I started to fill that out, just for our own time. I also looked up the AR and chapter 12. It mad some sense.
He doesn't have a DD 214 for Iraqi Freedom...but I am including that time because I have orders.
Thank you!!!
The form 1506 is very very helpful. I started to fill that out, just for our own time. I also looked up the AR and chapter 12. It mad some sense.
He doesn't have a DD 214 for Iraqi Freedom...but I am including that time because I have orders.
Thank you!!!
Glad to be of some assistance.
Also I should add that you need to separate the active from the inactive and when addidng the different periods together to use the same 30 day rule. I'll throw some random numbers out for use as an example.
I have 030928 years in one period and 011102 in another and 001109 in the last period of active service. Add them all together. It looks like this.
YYMMDD
030928
011102
001109
------
043139 or 4 years 31 months and 39 days. This needs to be converted because the rules are 30 days in a month, 12 months in a year. In our example above we have the Day column at 39 days so we subtract 30 and it leaves us 09 days. We then add 1 month to the month column giving us a total of now 32 months. We need to reduce the month column to less than 12 so we take 24 of those months and subtract it from the now 32 months giving us 08 months. (subtract in units of 12 in the month column)
Since we removed 24 months (or 2 years) we need to convert the 24 months into 2 years and add it to our years column. We now have 06 years.
So in this example we have a total actice service of 06 years, 08 months and 09 days.
You do this the same way for active or inactive periods if there is more than one period of service.
RCM7
Also I should add that you need to separate the active from the inactive and when addidng the different periods together to use the same 30 day rule. I'll throw some random numbers out for use as an example.
I have 030928 years in one period and 011102 in another and 001109 in the last period of active service. Add them all together. It looks like this.
YYMMDD
030928
011102
001109
------
043139 or 4 years 31 months and 39 days. This needs to be converted because the rules are 30 days in a month, 12 months in a year. In our example above we have the Day column at 39 days so we subtract 30 and it leaves us 09 days. We then add 1 month to the month column giving us a total of now 32 months. We need to reduce the month column to less than 12 so we take 24 of those months and subtract it from the now 32 months giving us 08 months. (subtract in units of 12 in the month column)
Since we removed 24 months (or 2 years) we need to convert the 24 months into 2 years and add it to our years column. We now have 06 years.
So in this example we have a total actice service of 06 years, 08 months and 09 days.
You do this the same way for active or inactive periods if there is more than one period of service.
RCM7