Placed on PDRL but NO new DD214??

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Cplusmc

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Hello everyone,

I'd just like to thank the forums, moderators and creators. This forum has been an amazing amount of help even though I wasnt activly apart of the community with posts, replys or many threads I still visited often searching for answers to questions and concerns that we all have in commen.

Well I just finished my first TDRL reevaluation and recieved my findings back about a month ago, saying I was removed from the temporary and placed on the permanent disabled retired list. I have one very important question and im constantly getting conflicting answers from my dav rep, or va reps and therapists.

Am I suppose to recieve a NEW DD214 from TDRL to the Marine Corps PDRL ?

I called and inquired about it with MMSR4 who told me NO, that I will not recieve a new dd214 or a dd215. They said that I will recieve a new certificate saying im placed on PDRL and it should be attached to my current tdrl dd214....???

This doesnt really make sense to me and im hoping someone here has the answer or can help me make sense of this situation. Well I also called and spoke to someone that works with the dd214's and dd215's at HQMC and she told me the same thing.

Since being placed on TDRL I dont know how many times ive read different threads stating to make sure you get a new DD214 or different reps in class's that say make sure to get a new dd214.... So are they not giving new DD214's for Marines that were originally on TDRL and then placed on PDRL after thier reevaluation?

Thanks in advance for your help and best regards

Cpl T
USMCR
 
You do NOT get a new DD-214 when going from TDRL to PDRL because TDRL is NOT active duty.
 
Funny you should ask that...I came here tonight to ask the very same question because I got the very same answer!

Hubs went on PDRL, but no new DD214 followed. He just got an "amended" set of orders to his previous set of orders. I went to the transportation offices in Norfolk to arrange our final move and they were CLEARLY confused why he even had a set of orders that said "Not applicable" to practically every line entry. I told them what I was told by the AW2 rep...you show both sets of orders every time. I asked her today about the DD214 and she was told that for PDRL, you show your DD214 with the amended orders attached...but what is frustrating is the amended orders require the previous orders to even make any sense of his entitlements.

He's.NOT.Happy.AT.ALL.

They are creating confusion with all these "if, then" sets of paperwork.
 
What I have seen is members who come off of TDRL get a set of orders and, if they are retired, a certificate. I have no seen this cause any problems for retired members.

What problems do you see this causing?
 
Jason said:
What I have seen is members who come off of TDRL get a set of orders and, if they are retired, a certificate. I have no seen this cause any problems for retired members.

What problems do you see this causing?
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The risk of losing one portion of this set of paperwork makes the DD214 virtually worthless later on...especially if you are using it a decade later and lost the attachments that needed to go with it.

An example of the "revised" paperwork issue came within months of getting TDRL orders and then the amended PDRL orders. I took both sets to the transportation offices, along with the DD214, and they were very confused why I would need to show all sets, and why the PDRL set had "not applicable" on practically everything that DID apply to his entitlements. I had to show the previous version to prove the eligibility...and then give the DD214 to seal the deal. Then they wondered why his DD214 didn't show he was on permanent retirement even though he had PDRL orders. See?

Even the military offices are confused because it would have just been simple to give an updated (and correct) DD214 in the first place.

Oh, and Chinook? Guess why you haven't seen me....we are in contract to buy a house out in Colorado and we are moving in a few weeks! I'll be about an hour away from you. ;)
 
I posted this info before but I can't seem to find the post again. The DODI 1336.01 is the governing instruction for DD-214s. There should also be a service-specific instruction for DD-214s; in the Navy it is currently BUPERSINST 1900.8C.

Link to DODI 1336.01: http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/133601p.pdf

Excerpt from DODI 1336.01 dtd August 20, 2009 Enclosure 3 (emphasis added)

f. DD Form 214 need not be prepared for:
(1) Personnel found disqualified upon reporting for active duty and who do not perform duties in accordance with orders.
(2) Personnel whose active duty, active duty for training, full-time training duty, or active duty for special work is terminated by death.
(3) Personnel being removed from the Temporary Disability Retired List.
(4) Enlisted personnel who receive temporary appointments to warrant officer or commissioned officer grades.
(5) Personnel whose temporary warrant or commissioned officer status is terminated and who remain on active duty to complete an enlistment.
(6) Personnel who terminate their Reserve Component status to integrate into an Active Component.
(7) Personnel separated or discharged who have been furnished a prior edition of this form, unless that form is in need of reissuance for some other reason.
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Okay, I guess I can see it being a problem when personnel don't know the rules (which is something many of us have come across in the disability evaluation system generally). My take when I read the article originally is that a DD215 (which is a correction document for DD214s) maybe shouldbe issued to clarify things. Bottom line, though, is I don't think they will and the only other route I could see to fix this (and I am doubtful if this would be granted) would be a BCMR application to "correct" the military records.

I can understand the desire to have a corrected DD214 issued from the date of placement on TDRL. But, as Navy1305 pointed out, I can see the problem with this (being that the member is not on active duty for the period of TDRL and I don't see how they would otherwise account for the time on TDRL than the two sets of orders moving the member onto and off of TDRL).
 
Thanks Navy! And Jason...thanks. :)

I will get used to carrying all three sets of documents and rehearse the simple explanation so even a simpleton can understand. Do you think that will work?

<----who is so frustrated with the Army right now about other things that she could just spit nails!
 
DragonFly757 said:
I will get used to carrying all three sets of documents and rehearse the simple explanation so even a simpleton can understand. Do you think that will work?
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LOL...not likely, but it seems the most likely course of action for you.
 
Okay, I'll start practicing my speech and get myself a good filing system with sheet protectors for all versions of the updated updated documents. LOL Thanks!
 
Dragonfly,

I have all my MEB/PEB/TDLR documents in plastic covers also. And all my military and Va medicial and claim records also. I have 4 DD214's for four separate active duties and I took them to my local Courthouse and had them filed in the Court records for a permanant record. They also gave me 5 additional "certified original" copies for future use. I have two large boxres of records, and I sure many folks here have even more documents. I don't hol;d out much hope of this ever changing during my lifetime. I have scanned some documents to a memory stick too. Easier than carrying a pile of paper and most places can open up the files. Don't let 'em wear you down.
 
Hi guys,

In response to your question, you will not get a new DD214 or a DD215 after being placed on the PDRL. In most cases, your pay will drop from 50% to 30% and based off of your active duty years in service and that is that. All you need is a copy of your orders to obtain an Indef military retired ID. Also if your spouse needs an ID card and you were married after the fact, that is not a problem.
If you feel that 30% is not a fair go, than you should not have signed your PEB findings, Like most of you I was tired of dealing with TDRL dramas and signed the PDRL findings just to get it over and done with. Check up after check up, and the hundreds of photo copies I had made "because they vanish like socks".
If you are new to the TDRL and have questions hit me up.... I think I may have dealt with all possible dramas involving a med board and I am sure many of you feel the same.
Has any one had any luck with the Voc Rehab or the Post 9-11 Gi bill yet?
 
Placement on the PDRL does not summarily equate to a 30% disability rating, PDRL/TDRL placement requires at least a 30% rating. The caveat being while on TDRL, if you are below 50% you will still receive 50% for pay purposes (above 50%, you receive that amount i.e. 60% will get 60%). PDRL, you receive the actual percentage (i.e. 30% disability rating on TDRL = 50% pay, on PDRL = 30% pay). I'm sure you know this, but if a new member were to read this post I could see how it could confuse him/her (and my post will probably just confuse them more..LOL).

What type of "luck" are you referring to with Voc Rehab and the G.I. Bill? I may be the only person in history to use both, depending on some things turn out!
 
I got a question... I was placed on the TDRL on 3/1995 and came of and discharged in 1998. Now I work for the VA and because my dd214 says Retirement they won't give me the same benefits as someone with prior service... What do I have to provide to prove I wasn't retired and deserve the opportunity to buy back my military time??
Thanks, JP
ScoopsOahu said:
Hi guys,

In response to your question, you will not get a new DD214 or a DD215 after being placed on the PDRL. In most cases, your pay will drop from 50% to 30% and based off of your active duty years in service and that is that. All you need is a copy of your orders to obtain an Indef military retired ID. Also if your spouse needs an ID card and you were married after the fact, that is not a problem.
If you feel that 30% is not a fair go, than you should not have signed your PEB findings, Like most of you I was tired of dealing with TDRL dramas and signed the PDRL findings just to get it over and done with. Check up after check up, and the hundreds of photo copies I had made "because they vanish like socks".
If you are new to the TDRL and have questions hit me up.... I think I may have dealt with all possible dramas involving a med board and I am sure many of you feel the same.
Has any one had any luck with the Voc Rehab or the Post 9-11 Gi bill yet?
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goulies said:
I got a question... I was placed on the TDRL on 3/1995 and came of and discharged in 1998. Now I work for the VA and because my dd214 says Retirement they won't give me the same benefits as someone with prior service... What do I have to provide to prove I wasn't retired and deserve the opportunity to buy back my military time??
Thanks, JP
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I assume you are a FERS employee? It is not that you were retired, it is whether or not you are entitled to buy in to the FERS retirement.

Here is a link to the FERS/OPM retirement administrative guide: http://www.opm.gov/retire/pubs/handbook/C022.pdf Page 15 has some relevant information. It is impossible to say what might be the basis for denial without knowing more details.

Hope this helps!
 
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