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What a great wealth of information here. I was diagnosed when I was not feeling right and my wife thankfully talked me into going to the ER. My A1C was over 600 and I spent a few days in the ICU. When I got back to work, all the older, retired guys wanted to let me know how to maximize my disability. My focus is on getting my health squared away and hopefully staying in. I have 16 years in and am a rated officer, so I will not be able to fly with being insulin dependent.

For the last 4 months I have worked up to running over 10 miles at a time, and my A1C is down to 6.5. The flight doc removed my PT test restriction from my profile, and I know I will get an excellent on my test next month. My IRILO-PRE-IDES screening directed for a full MEB, and it looks like we have 3 months to get my case to the IPEB. Tomorrow I have my first appointment with the PEBLO Office. From this information, am I on the right path? My leadership is pushing for me to stay in and teach somewhere else, and I just want to make sure I am not missing anything. Now it seems like after 16 years I could end up anywhere from 20% disability and being able to stay in to retire. Thanks in advance for any help.
 
What a great wealth of information here. I was diagnosed when I was not feeling right and my wife thankfully talked me into going to the ER. My A1C was over 600 and I spent a few days in the ICU. When I got back to work, all the older, retired guys wanted to let me know how to maximize my disability. My focus is on getting my health squared away and hopefully staying in. I have 16 years in and am a rated officer, so I will not be able to fly with being insulin dependent.

For the last 4 months I have worked up to running over 10 miles at a time, and my A1C is down to 6.5. The flight doc removed my PT test restriction from my profile, and I know I will get an excellent on my test next month. My IRILO-PRE-IDES screening directed for a full MEB, and it looks like we have 3 months to get my case to the IPEB. Tomorrow I have my first appointment with the PEBLO Office. From this information, am I on the right path? My leadership is pushing for me to stay in and teach somewhere else, and I just want to make sure I am not missing anything. Now it seems like after 16 years I could end up anywhere from 20% disability and being able to stay in to retire. Thanks in advance for any help.
Welcome to the PEB Forum! :)

Indeed, if referred and officially accepted into the DoD IDES MEB/PEB process, the PEB shall make determinations for all of the following:
  • Fitness or unfitness to continue military service
  • Eligibility for disability compensation
  • Disability codes and percentage rating (only for non-IDES cases)
  • Disposition o the case
  • Whether or not the injury or illness meets combat-related criteria to qualify the military service member for additional tax, employment or other benefits
Moreover, the PEB makes the decision on fitness by balancing the extent of your medical condition(s), as shown through objective medical and performance evidence, against the requirements and duties that the military service member may reasonably be expected to perform in their assigned/respective military duties and grade.

To that extent, please note that the mere fact that one or more medical conditions exist does not constitute an unfit determination, and the inability to deploy to austere environments is only one factor in determining unfitness.

As such, if the IPEB determines that the military service member is "unfit for duty" then the PEB will forward the DoD IDES case file to the assigned DoVA D-RAS (e.g., VA Rating Board) to rate the military service member's "referred" PEB-determined unfitting conditions and "claimed" conditions (as listed on the VA Form 21-0819). If the IPEB determines that the military service member is "fit for duty" then the PEB shall not forward the DoD IDES case file to the assigned DoVA D-RAS.

Once the military service member is determined to be eligible for disability benefits, the severity of the medical condition will determine whether you shall receive disability retirement or are separated with severance pay. Note that a military service member rated with a 0%, 10% or 20% disability who have less than 20 years of active military service or 7,200 points of combined service, will be separated with severance pay.

Military service members rated at 30% or more, or who have 20 or more years of active military service or 7,200 points of combined service shall receive disability retirement. It's important to mention that military disability retirement is either temporary or permanent depending on the stability of the military service member's medical condition(s). Please take care, and continue to get well! :cool:

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

Best Wishes!
 
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T1D,

I'm in a similar situation, but only a little over 11 years in. Have you heard of limited assignment status? It's outlined on here and in AFI, it fits your case well depending on what exactly your job is.

The catch is, from what I've been told by numerous sources, it's a huge longshot. And no matter how good your PT is, it's also a long shot to stay in. But if I were you, look at LAS as I think that might be a way to go if the MEB finds you unfit as the almost certainly will.

Also, I think in the first case ever, the SECAF basically decided to retain a insulin dependent type one on appeal of the formal PEB. I got this from the OAC lawyers, and basically it's the only one they've ever heard of, but maybe it will set some precedent. But that would be likely the only type one person still on AD in the AF... ever... so those are the odds we're up against.

If you don't mind me asking, did they test you for any antibodies? And do you still have any insulin production on your own? Do you have burn pit exposure? Any family history? Feel free to PM answers if you want. Just doing some research on my own, trying to find a cause, mainly for my own closure.

Best of luck
 
Thanks for the help! I was not tested for antibodies, and still have some insulin production on my own. No burn pit exposure or family history.

First visit to the PEBLO Office today, and they are looking to recommend me for TDRL. It seems like my leadership is going all in to get me to be able to stay in to retire, so we will see how it works!
 
I would have them check for antibodies if I were you - if the tests are negative, the only other explanation is exposure to something. Doesn't matter much for the whole staying in or getting out thing, but maybe still worth knowing just for yourself.

Good luck
 
Thanks for the help! I was not tested for antibodies, and still have some insulin production on my own. No burn pit exposure or family history.

First visit to the PEBLO Office today, and they are looking to recommend me for TDRL. It seems like my leadership is going all in to get me to be able to stay in to retire, so we will see how it works!

I think you are doing the right thing in educating yourself and looking at all of your options. That said, I have a few comments:

The "PEBLO Office" (or for that matter, the MEB) does not and cannot "recommend TDRL." See AFI 36-3212:
A2.1. Purpose for Counseling...PEBLOs will not speculate about the possible case disposition or percentage of disability in counseling evaluees."; See, also, AFI 41-210 ("4.63.3. MEB recommendations. The MEB membership may choose from the following two actions: (1) Return to Duty or (2) Refer to IPEB." It is basically improper for the MEB to recommend anything about final disposition.

I am also not sure you understand the impact of TDRL- that would be a finding that you are at least 30% disabled, but your condition is not stable for rating purposes. The point that you are unlikely to reach above a 20% rating for your diabetes- if true- basically takes TDRL off the table. Even so, if placed on TDRL, your "time" for retirement purposes does not accrue towards length of service retirement.

Hope this helped and makes sense. If you have other questions, please feel free to ask! Good luck!
 
Thank you! This is very helpful. While I was in bad shape in the ICU back in April, it almost appears as if I am being punished for taking care of myself. From my understanding, there was a possibility I could stay in until retirement and then get a normal retirement plus any disability. The way it was explained to me, this would get me another 5 years and basically just get me past 20 for a normal retirement
 
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The way it was explained to me, this would get me another 5 years and basically just get me past 20 for a normal retirement

By getting placed on TDRL? Nooo... if this is what they are telling you at the PEBLO's office, they are acting criminally. Time on TDRL does not count for length of service retirement purposes. TDRL can last for up to 5 years. But none of that time counts for length of service retirement. Essentially, you are retired on the TDRL, so it is not time that accrues. It is like a "pause" and then if you are eventually found fit and return to duty (a very rare finding in the first place) you would need to pick up and finish whatever remaining time you have until reaching 20 years.

It is horrifying that they have told you what they have. Especially, based on what you have stated, you must be at least an O4 or O5. I shudder to think what they are telling SrA or TSgts. Not joking above- if the PEBLOs are military members, it is likely criminal telling you what they have.
 
Wow. The entire PEBLO Office are GS employees. The person assigned to my case is a 5, and the person who runs the office is a 7. I now have a narrative summary and letter from my leadership pushing to keep me in until retirement, and it looks like it might be time to head in a different direction.
 
Wow. The entire PEBLO Office are GS employees. The person assigned to my case is a 5, and the person who runs the office is a 7. I now have a narrative summary and letter from my leadership pushing to keep me in until retirement, and it looks like it might be time to head in a different direction.

It makes me fume when folks are set up for failure by the very system that requires that they be given competent counsel.

If your MEB has not gone forward yet, I would try to buy some time by asking for an Impartial Medical Review. You don't need a reason, and the time may allow you to re-check your flight plan.
 
It sounds like I talk with the VA next month. I have all the symptoms I initially had documented, and the Flight Doctor casually keeps telling me not to worry because I will be retired or able to stay in. Thanks to your website, I now see how this is far from a guarantee. The process makes no sense to me. I can't fly and am non-deployable due to a condition I had no control over getting. It would only make sense to retire me after 16 years or let me stay in, but it looks like taking care of myself could result in a 20% rating.
 
I found out through the OAC that there has been exactly one case of insulin dependent diabetes that was allowed to stay in (not on LAS or through TRDL or anything else). They found the person unfit at every level (despite high level command pushing to keep them in) and it eventually went to a formal PEB. At either the formal PEB or on appeal of the formal PEB (OAC lawyer wouldn't tell me) this guy was successful in getting the AF to retain him due to it being in the best interest of the AF. "best interest of the AF" is key, it's the only argument we have to stay in.

The AF doesn't care if either of us get to 20 or not, nor do they care if we get retired or just separated at 16 years. I know this is super harsh, I'm going through this too. But it's the truth. So the point is here, that this other case was able to articulate all the time and money the AF had put in him and how he could still return that investment with minimal risk to himself and the AF, and it worked. The problem for both of us is he was an engineer, in a non-deployable AFSC to start with, not aircrew. So he also had the argument that his diabetes would have nothing to do with his job anyway. We can argue the teaching or staff side as things we can still do, but it's not quite as easy a case as he had where AFPC literally had to do nothing different with him at all. He really didn't even need an assignment limiting code, which I think was a huge factor in his case. He was never going to deploy anyway and never going to be stationed overseas or anywhere without access to great endocrine care.

My point in all this is if staying in is what you want most, then cage the case completely around how that's best for the AF. I really think that's the only argument we can make that will have an impact.

I'm getting my leadership's letters to focus on that more than anything. Whether I can still sit at a desk or not or even do PT is not as important in my opinion as showing that my sitting at that desk pays back the AF and does not unfairly burden the AF or anyone else.

Wish you all the best
 
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Wow, thanks for the great info. Definitely helps with seeing how it would be best to move forward.
 
First VA appointment today. Ear/nose/throat specialist noted vertigo, allergies, and some sinus issues. I have 5 more appointments scheduled over the next month or so, so we will see how everything goes.
 
Met with my Endo today, and A1C was 8.1 3.5 months after diagnosis while wearing continuous glucose monitor. On waist only and restricted duty profile. Obviously cannot fly or deploy. It seems like my civilian doctor has had to work with the military quite a bit. He already wrote a letter noting my restriction of activity, and offered to help with documenting anything necessary. My final C&P appointment is not until early September.
 
So I'm trying to be of use and not a Debbie Downer. Frankly, back in 2010 when my husband was going through the same thing, this site was a little discouraging, only in terms of Type-1 stories that didn't end well, not because I don't appreciate it for its wealth of information). In fact, my husband stopped looking at it for that reason.

Background: hubby was a 32E Civil Engineer. Dx'd as type 1 (type 1.5 to be exact, or slow-onset type-1, so insulin isn't immediately required) in 2005, as a newly pinned on Captain. Found fit for duty every year until he went on insulin in 2010 (yes, even as a CE officer, a highly deployable career field).

In 2009 his regimen required insulin so he faced a formal MEB in 2010. He was found fit for duty and we PCSd to Hawaii. The findings say "we acknowledge Maj Monroe is about to begin using an insulin pump." He did 10 days later--he wasn't trying to "dupe" the system by going on it after his hearing, it just took it a while to arrive at his endocrinologist's office.

So the first year in Hawaii, all is well and his first RILO while on the pump is good to go--back to work for you, Major! Then the next year, a technician accidentally misread a handwritten note in his file that seemed to indicate he has retinopathy. He doesn't. No biggie, you would think, right? Nah, they said let's dredge up his case because last time he faced an MEB, he wasn't on a pump, but now he is, so we need to do the entire process over again.

So his case is actually much stronger at the second MEB than the first (I've written a few posts about this so I won't reiterate here, just look for aamonroe)--but he was found unfit. And it took 2 years to fight it because they kept misreading (or lying) about his medical history--first he had retinopathy, then glaucoma, then an A1c of 8.4 (all of which are false) but ultimately he was found unfit because his pump was "too much of a risk" (not because anything happened, just in general) and he was medically separated at 13 days short of 15 years of service. If you read the facts of our case the only logical explanation of why the change would be from fit to unfit is because he hit the MEB at the exact same time the AF was ripping off the bandaid and downsizing in huge numbers. I don't say that for my husband's ego, the logic they posed was actually laughable. Since the only way to get rid of him after having found fit previously was to prove that his health had "changed" in some way, they had to find "something" that was different. They actually said his pump usage was because his health was spiraling out of control, which is absolutely false as evidenced by the doctor's noting his "excellent control," "strong motivation," and the fact that they were recommending it as a more amenable for continued military service than injections--so, if you're tracking, he was found fit with full knowledge he was going on a pump, then found unfit for using that pump. I realize deployability also plays a major factor, but he did deploy post diagnosis (you know, not to the AOR, but it was something), and also, the logic that deployment rates within his career field have decreased roughly five fold is counterintuitive to the logic presented. To add another awesome detail to our less-than-awesome story is that he was actually selected for promotion the same day he was discharged.

The thing about type-1 diabetes that is counterintuitive is that it is this double edged sword--if you are too healthy of a diabetic, you get discharged (like my husband--being an "excellent" patient bit him in the butt). But if you have a multitude of hypoglycemic episodes at work or can't pass your pt test because of it or something, you are retirement-worthy. Possibly. Having a 99% average on his P/T test does him no good. He should have been a fat lazy diabetic who can't calculate his dosage to get taken care of. Instead, his health is otherwise excellent (even if the AF wants to smear his medical record with false statements).

So here are the take-aways. What somebody said about there only being like one diabetic to ever get back in the system is just not correct. Obviously, my husband would be one example as he served for a decade with it. We know a (Lt Col) personnelist at Luke who has had it almost his entire career. And a (Lt Col) pilot at Nellis (squadron command, even). And a (Capt) pilot-turned-intel officer at Hickam. A (Maj) pilot at Vandenburg. I have personally spoken with these people so they aren't just hearsay stories. And a handful of others whom we don't know personally but have been in email contact with. They are out there--they probably just like to keep a low profile for fear of losing their jobs.

As you can see by the list above, a lot of pilots seem to scrape by. My personal theory on that is a lot of pilots don't want to take desk jobs so they plug in those who can't fly into the staff jobs that might not seem as desirable, but that's just a guess. Also, as a pilot more money is invested in training so that is probably a factor. But again, these are just my guesses.

I understand when you say your command is advocating for your return to duty. So was my husband's. The first time, he had Colonels vouching for him. The second time it was Generals. The board just sort of politely ignored anything in my husband's favor. Trust me, it's a clown show. If you go and have Keryl Green on your panel, if possible, I would ask for a different panel member. As my husband's career functional (who testified on his behalf) said, she's "diabolical."

In the current drawdown climate I would, in hindsight, have had my husband fight for retirement--you sort of have to choose your avenue at the beginning of the process so you don't flip-flop. Having an A1c above 8 is actually "good" in a way--my husband's is 6.4-6.8 and they said that was too elevated. For the record, that is perfectly within diabetic standards as tight control. Feel free to message me for more details on the case. I wish I could provide a light at the end of the tunnel story that ended in our favor--five years ago, I could!

We did a Congressional, which turned out to be useless. And we have since appealed to the BCMR for what that is worth. Should hear back by October. We'll see. I have also done a FOIA request and a Privacy Act Request. They are supposed to take 20 days. We're on day 49 and they are saying they're going to either issue a "partial denial" or dismiss our request all together. I don't know much about FOIA requests and PA requests, but they definitely seem like they're hiding something. They said they don't keep any statistics on personnel. Doesn't it seem odd that the AF Personnel Center doesn't have ANY statistics about the personnel in their charge? Anyway, I digress.
 
T1D,

I'm in a similar situation, but only a little over 11 years in. Have you heard of limited assignment status? It's outlined on here and in AFI, it fits your case well depending on what exactly your job is.

The catch is, from what I've been told by numerous sources, it's a huge longshot. And no matter how good your PT is, it's also a long shot to stay in. But if I were you, look at LAS as I think that might be a way to go if the MEB finds you unfit as the almost certainly will.

Also, I think in the first case ever, the SECAF basically decided to retain a insulin dependent type one on appeal of the formal PEB. I got this from the OAC lawyers, and basically it's the only one they've ever heard of, but maybe it will set some precedent. But that would be likely the only type one person still on AD in the AF... ever... so those are the odds we're up against.

If you don't mind me asking, did they test you for any antibodies? And do you still have any insulin production on your own? Do you have burn pit exposure? Any family history? Feel free to PM answers if you want. Just doing some research on my own, trying to find a cause, mainly for my own closure.

Best of luck


My husband had no family history (at all, no type-1s or type-2s on either side) but started with the symptoms in Iraq. Really thirsty, peed a lot (well, you know, you drink a lot you have to pee, right? And it's hotter than the sun so of course you're thirsty when it's like 120 degrees). That doesn't help you but his exposure to "something" in the AOR seems to be a culprit. His endo during his interim transitional period said this is a common story. Sad that the AF can't take better care of the people willing to take a bullet for them, but they get a chronic condition because of this selflessness, and then get kicked to the curb.
 
And just another random story--my husband was in the clinic getting blood drawn. Another Airman was complaining out loud and my husband's ears perked up when he heard diabetes. He was apparently diagnosed at the onset of his career but had similar number of years in service as my husband. He got a call out of the blue that they wanted to do an MEB on him because his A1c was in the 7s. So they were, at least in 2012-2014 timeframe, obviously looking for anything and everything to constitute a change in a condition.

What I don't understand about this process it that if it's a "guilty until proven innocent" issue for all type-1s, why even go through the process of reporting to the MEB--isn't that like fraud, waste and abuse to waste all this manpower and money to send all these people to the board, come up with a case, if the outcome is predetermined?
 
Thanks for the info, and I am sorry to hear of your situation. My leadership came to visit me while in the hospital, and I believe they had good intentions when they encouraged me to get another 100 on a PT test to show how well I am doing. Doing this caused me to get dizzy and darn near pass out while running. It was time for me to get on a waist only profile. Now my leadership understands how the only way they can help is to step in after I hopefully get a permanent retirement and vouch for Limited Assignment Status. My functional has let me know this is the plan from my leadership, so for now I am just focusing on ensuring everything is documented correctly. I was already found unfit, and know I cannot fly or deploy. My A1C test from last week was 8.1, and that is the last A1C I get until the process is over. Today I had my VA eye appointment, so there is definitely a light at the end of the tunnel.
 
So I'm trying to be of use and not a Debbie Downer. Frankly, back in 2010 when my husband was going through the same thing, this site was a little discouraging, only in terms of Type-1 stories that didn't end well, not because I don't appreciate it for its wealth of information). In fact, my husband stopped looking at it for that reason.
I think it is helpful for folks to post their experiences, good, bad or ugly.

If you read the facts of our case the only logical explanation of why the change would be from fit to unfit is because he hit the MEB at the exact same time the AF was ripping off the bandaid and downsizing in huge numbers. I don't say that for my husband's ego, the logic they posed was actually laughable. Since the only way to get rid of him after having found fit previously was to prove that his health had "changed" in some way, they had to find "something" that was different. They actually said his pump usage was because his health was spiraling out of control, which is absolutely false as evidenced by the doctor's noting his "excellent control," "strong motivation," and the fact that they were recommending it as a more amenable for continued military service than injections--so, if you're tracking, he was found fit with full knowledge he was going on a pump, then found unfit for using that pump. I realize deployability also plays a major factor, but he did deploy post diagnosis (you know, not to the AOR, but it was something), and also, the logic that deployment rates within his career field have decreased roughly five fold is counterintuitive to the logic presented.

This comment more goes for the below quote, but, it generally applies to all cases. You have to deal with each case on the facts present and based on making "educated guesses." This is more so when there is less than clear cut issues. Obviously, someone with a below the knee amputation will be found unfit and rated at 40% (if they want....there are several cases of amputees returning to duty....but that is the exceptional case). It can be hard to make certain guesses or the answers may be less than clear cut.

So here are the take-aways. What somebody said about there only being like one diabetic to ever get back in the system is just not correct. Obviously, my husband would be one example as he served for a decade with it. We know a (Lt Col) personnelist at Luke who has had it almost his entire career. And a (Lt Col) pilot at Nellis (squadron command, even). And a (Capt) pilot-turned-intel officer at Hickam. A (Maj) pilot at Vandenburg. I have personally spoken with these people so they aren't just hearsay stories. And a handful of others whom we don't know personally but have been in email contact with. They are out there--they probably just like to keep a low profile for fear of losing their jobs.

A few points....It is likely hyperbole about "only one" diabetic ever being returned to duty. It probably does happen in a small percentage of cases with the right fact patterns. (I have seen some extraordinary results over the last ten years of working in this area....I have seen an epileptic returned to duty, a doctor found unfit- which pretty much never happens, I have seen a Major with a colostomy bag returned to duty...but, these are "outliers" with their own specific facts and circumstances that resulted in highly unusual outcomes).

But, what made me have a bit of unease is the idea that these examples from what it sounds like years ago should be applied to thinking about a case today. There has been a huge shift in how cases are judged over the past few years. LAS used to be granted fairly liberally. Used to be, with a good set of facts and support from the chain, the AF PEB used to recommend LAS and SAFPC would as a matter of policy approve it. About 2-3 years ago, this halted. SAFPC told the PEBs to stop addressing the issue and stopped approving LAS. Now, it is a relative rarity to see LAS go through.

Still, I have no doubt that there are those who "stay below the radar" and are never put up for a full MEB. It is either that the docs ignore the issue, the DAWG never convenes, or some other "magic" happens where the case is never considered. I am also aware of "confirmation bias." That is, the bulk of cases I hear about are either on these forums OR it is through clients of mine. But, if someone has a good outcome and does not ever need help, I likely see few of those cases. So, I tend to see the "bad outcomes" and am aware that I don't have the full picture (and, by definition, no one does...if the case is never identified and the member is happy, no one complains. There is literally no way to know how "all cases" go because there are a number that are never addressed and a large number where the member does not ever complain).

Bottom line, as I suggested above, one has to make decisions and educated guesses as to how to proceed. It can be anxiety provoking and nerve wracking when the outcome is not clear. Unfortunately, that is a feature of the system.

I understand when you say your command is advocating for your return to duty. So was my husband's. The first time, he had Colonels vouching for him. The second time it was Generals. The board just sort of politely ignored anything in my husband's favor. Trust me, it's a clown show.

Very often it can be a "clown show." This is more likely the case when the issues are open to interpretation, when there are subjective issues that can be ruled either way and when they just make errors. It is not that the PEBs are seeking to do wrong by folks. The issues have to do with unclear standards in part, with the authority for judgment calls to be made and with the appeals process (for example, the "pure" VA appeals process, while far from perfect, offers much more protections to folks than appealing military decisions).

In the current drawdown climate I would, in hindsight, have had my husband fight for retirement--you sort of have to choose your avenue at the beginning of the process so you don't flip-flop.

This is a point that I referenced above. I can't say that any decision your husband made was good or bad. Just that in the current climate, things have gotten "tighter" as to retaining members under any basis.

Now my leadership understands how the only way they can help is to step in after I hopefully get a permanent retirement and vouch for Limited Assignment Status.

For "just" diabetes, the rating would have to be 40% (based on restriction of activities) in order to reach the retirement finding. Once that level is met, then I would think LAS application would be just fine. Again, though I may have just beat that dead horse, the facts of your case should drive your decisions and approach to the IDES/PEB.
 
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