Introduce yourself

Jason/Purple,

Thanks again! I am still in the 'infancy' stage of all this and gathering as much data as possible right now. I certainly appreciate all the information here and the advice....being as informed as possible is probably the best thing I can do at this stage of the game!

Regards,

Mike
 
HELLO EVERYONE,

I also accidently came across this web address. This is a great source of information. WOW. Thanks. Active Duty Marine starting the PEB process for Autoimmune disorder MG. Anyone else with MG
 
Hello all,

Im a 13yr active duty Navy Seabee who has had a rough year. In June I was dionosed with sarcoidosis and 3 months later with type 1 diabetes.
Im almost certin that my navy career is comming to a hault. I start my second limdu in January and not sure what to expect after that.
Its been a drastic life style change from diet, exercises and the time i have to take out of my day to make sure i function properly. Im glad i found this forum and im sure it will help in up and comming events ( i.e. med boards).
Any in-sight that you guys could give would be great. Im glad i found this forum.

Thanks,
 
I found this place by accident and its been very helpful. I was injured in Kuwait. 10 months later I am still recovering from my injuries. I have 5 years in the Navy. Im on my 2nd Limdu.
 
siestasundance,

Welcome aboard an awesome forum! Thank you for your service as well. Hopefully, someone will come along with the information you require to appeal a VA EPTS case.

Good luck.
 
Marine stationed in Japan had a herniated disk c-4/c-5 level had a diskectomy with fusion now migraines, upper and lower back pain, and still minor loss of feeling in left arm. Package gets sent to IPEB this week. for codes 724.1 724.2 722.52. had my surgery two years back and ti is just getting worst now. Oh I am a pay tech any questions about pay before discharge I can answer I have worked separations for years.
 
Honor to serve, and thanks for your service! Nice Forum!
14yr Army Res, 30% VA
Looking for info to appeal a VA EPTS case

Thanks,
Scott

Scott,

Welcome! Please post any specific questions in its own thread. Happy to answer any questions, just not sure about what your question is.
 
Marine stationed in Japan had a herniated disk c-4/c-5 level had a diskectomy with fusion now migraines, upper and lower back pain, and still minor loss of feeling in left arm. Package gets sent to IPEB this week. for codes 724.1 724.2 722.52. had my surgery two years back and ti is just getting worst now. Oh I am a pay tech any questions about pay before discharge I can answer I have worked separations for years.

Drakkon84,

Welcome! I hope everything goes well at the IPEB. And your knowledge will be invaluable on the pay issues. Thanks for your contribution to the forum!
 
Hello all, I am in the "beginning" of my process I guess, just had my MEB physical and NARSUM dictated for spinal fusion, constant lower back pain, cubital and carpal tunnel surgeries. (Jason thank you for your email, I appreciate the information). This question may have been asked before, but in regards to my NARSUM, my degenerative disc disease(DDD) is not mentioned. When I inquired to my PEBLO I was told that I was being boarded for my fusion and pain, not the DDD, hence it would not be mentioned in the NARSUM. Is this correct? It seems that my fusion coupled with my DDD would be the root of my pain.........
 
Welcome kljunior.

The NARSUM is covered in AR 40-400 and here is the detail:

7–9. Preparing medical evaluation board narrative summaries​
The recommended format for an MEB narrative summary is provided below.​
a. Baseline documentation.​
At the beginning of the MEB, the following will be recorded:
(1) The signatory physician’s specialty.
(2) The clinical department/service.
(3) The MTF and its location.
(4) Reason for doing the MEB (for example, physician-directed, command-directed).
(5) Soldier’s eligibility for MEB.
(6) Military history.

(a)​
Date of entry into Service.

(b)​
Estimated termination of Service.

(c)​
Administrative actions ongoing, pending, or completed (for example, courts-martial, selective early retirement,
bars, retirement or separation dates).
(7) Chief complaint stated in Soldier’s own words.
(8) History of present illness. Exact details, including pertinent dates regarding injuries, how incurred, and a
statement of the final LD determination, if available.
(9) Past medical history.

(a)​
Past injuries and illnesses.

(b)​
Prior disability ratings (for example, given by the VA).

(c)​
Past hospitalizations and relevant outpatient treatment, including documentation of diagnosis and therapy,
pertinent dates, and location should be listed.

(d)​
Illnesses, conditions, and prodromal symptoms, existing prior to service conditions.

b. Physical examination.​
A complete physical examination must be recorded in the MEB. Selected specialty-related
considerations and guidelines follow.
(1)
Cardiology.
(a)
Results of special studies to support and quantify the cardiac impairment should be noted (for example, treadmill
and thallium stress tests, angiography, and other special studies).

(b)​
It is imperative that the Functional Therapeutic Classification of the cardiac condition be included. Either the
New York or Canadian classification system may be used.
(2)
Gastroenterology. Soldiers with fecal incontinence should have recorded findings of rectal examination (for
example, digital exam, manometric studies as indicated and radiographic studies). The degree and frequency of the
incontinence should be noted, as well as the incapacitation caused by the condition.
(3)
Neurosurgery.
(a)
In vertebral disc problems, radicular findings on physical examination should be supported by laboratory studies
such as computerized axial tomography scan, MRI, or electromyography. In cases where surgery has been performed,
both pre- and post-operative deep tendon reflexes should be documented.

(b)​
In head injuries, neuropsychiatric assessment should be accomplished. Results of any clinically indicated
neuropsychological testing should be included.

AR 40–400 • 6 February 2008 55​
(4)​
Ophthalmology. If retention standards are not met for reasons related to vision, visual fields must be included in
the physical examination and verified by an ophthalmologist. Specialist examination should include uncorrected and
corrected central visual acuity. Snellen’s test or its equivalent will be used and, if indicated, measurements of the
Goldman Perimeter chart will be included.
(5)
Orthopedics.
(a)
Range of motion measurements must be documented for injuries to the extremities. The results of the measurement
should be validated and the method of measurement and validation should be stated.

(b)​
In cases involving back pain, the use of Waddell’s signs should be included in assessing the severity and
character of the pain. (See app A.)
(6)
Psychiatry.
(a)
Particular attention should be paid to documenting all prior psychiatric care. Supportive data should be obtained
for verification of the patient’s verbal history.

(b)​
Psychometric assessment should be carried out if such assessment will help quantify the severity of certain
conditions and allow a reference point for future evaluation.

(c)​
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Revised (or current edition) will be
used for diagnostic terminology (app A). The Multiaxial System of Assessment will be used to include Axes I-V. The
degree of social and industrial impairment must be determined and documented, and correlated to the Soldier’s clinical
manifestations for each Axis I and Axis II diagnosis. In addition, relationship of the impairment to military and civilian
performance is required.

(d)​
Every effort must be made to distinguish symptoms and impairment resulting from personality disorder or
maladaptive traits from impairments based on other psychiatric conditions.
(7)
Pulmonary. When an MEB is held for restrictive or obstructive pulmonary disease, documentation will be
provided of pulmonary function testing carried out when Soldier is on and off therapeutic medication. There must be
three pulmonary function tests done off medication, two of which must be in agreement within the 5 percent level, and
three done on medication, two of which must agree within the 5 percent level.
(8)
Urology.
(a)
Cases involving neurogenic bladder must have studies done that document the condition.

(b)​
All cases involving incontinence must have studies done that document the condition.

(c)​
Cases involving incontinence/neurogenic bladder should have documentation regarding severity as indicated by
the number of times self-catheterization is required, the number and type of pads required in a day, or the soilage
frequency.

c. Laboratory studies.​
Studies that support and quantify the diagnosis(es) should be included as should any studies
that conflict with the diagnosis(es).

d. Present condition and current functional status.​
The current clinical condition of the Soldier should be noted
i n c l u d i n g r e q u i r e d m e d i c a t i o n s a n d a n y n o n - m e d i c a t i o n t r e a t m e n t r e g i m e n t s ( f o r e x a m p l e , p h y s i c a l t h e r a p y ) i n
progress.
(1) The Soldier’s functional status as to the ability to perform his/her required duty should be indicated.
(2) The Soldier’s civilian equivalent performance should be indicated.
(3) A statement should be given regarding the prognosis for functional status after completion of treatment, if
chronic treatment is not necessary.
(4) A statement should be given regarding the prognosis for functional status in cases requiring chronic treatment.
(5) The stability of the current clinical condition and functional status should be addressed.

e. Conclusions.​
(1) An informed opinion should be stated as to the Soldier’s ability to meet current retention standards.
(2) If a Soldier does not meet retention standards, the specific reasons why should be stated.​
f. Diagnosis(es).​
The diagnostic terminology used by the MEB should correlate, if at all possible, with that of the
VASRD. Because the PEBs are required to assess a Soldier’s status based on the VASRD, a clearer understanding of
that status is facilitated when the same terminology is used by the MEBs and the PEBs. All MEB diagnoses will be
given an International Classification of Diseases-Ninth Revision-Clinical Modification (ICD-9-CM) code.

g. Profile (if required by Service regulation).​
(1) The physical profile of the Soldier should agree with the severity of the medical impairment as expressed in the
narrative summary.
(2) The physical profile of the DD Form 2808 should agree with that of the physical profile form, as well as that
noted in the MEB cover sheet.​
56 AR

I think you should show this reg to your PEBLO and insist that all current medical conditions (see 9.a above) be reflected in the NARSUM regardless of whether they are the boarding action issues. It is worth a shot. Have you had Xray confirmation of degenerative arthritis? If not you need to have this done also.
Good luck,
DMcK
 
Welcome kljunior.

The NARSUM is covered in AR 40-400 and here is the detail:

7–9. Preparing medical evaluation board narrative summaries
The recommended format for an MEB narrative summary is provided below.


a. Baseline documentation.
At the beginning of the MEB, the following will be recorded:
(1) The signatory physician’s specialty.
(2) The clinical department/service.
(3) The MTF and its location.
(4) Reason for doing the MEB (for example, physician-directed, command-directed).
(5) Soldier’s eligibility for MEB.
(6) Military history.
(a)


Date of entry into Service.
(b)


Estimated termination of Service.
(c)


Administrative actions ongoing, pending, or completed (for example, courts-martial, selective early retirement,
bars, retirement or separation dates).
(7) Chief complaint stated in Soldier’s own words.
(8) History of present illness. Exact details, including pertinent dates regarding injuries, how incurred, and a
statement of the final LD determination, if available.
(9) Past medical history.
(a)


Past injuries and illnesses.
(b)


Prior disability ratings (for example, given by the VA).
(c)


Past hospitalizations and relevant outpatient treatment, including documentation of diagnosis and therapy,
pertinent dates, and location should be listed.
(d)


Illnesses, conditions, and prodromal symptoms, existing prior to service conditions.
b. Physical examination.


A complete physical examination must be recorded in the MEB. Selected specialty-related
considerations and guidelines follow.
(1)

Cardiology.
(a)

Results of special studies to support and quantify the cardiac impairment should be noted (for example, treadmill
and thallium stress tests, angiography, and other special studies).
(b)


It is imperative that the Functional Therapeutic Classification of the cardiac condition be included. Either the
New York or Canadian classification system may be used.
(2)

Gastroenterology. Soldiers with fecal incontinence should have recorded findings of rectal examination (for
example, digital exam, manometric studies as indicated and radiographic studies). The degree and frequency of the
incontinence should be noted, as well as the incapacitation caused by the condition.
(3)

Neurosurgery.
(a)

In vertebral disc problems, radicular findings on physical examination should be supported by laboratory studies
such as computerized axial tomography scan, MRI, or electromyography. In cases where surgery has been performed,
both pre- and post-operative deep tendon reflexes should be documented.
(b)


In head injuries, neuropsychiatric assessment should be accomplished. Results of any clinically indicated
neuropsychological testing should be included.
AR 40–400 • 6 February 2008 55
(4)


Ophthalmology. If retention standards are not met for reasons related to vision, visual fields must be included in
the physical examination and verified by an ophthalmologist. Specialist examination should include uncorrected and
corrected central visual acuity. Snellen’s test or its equivalent will be used and, if indicated, measurements of the
Goldman Perimeter chart will be included.
(5)

Orthopedics.
(a)

Range of motion measurements must be documented for injuries to the extremities. The results of the measurement
should be validated and the method of measurement and validation should be stated.
(b)


In cases involving back pain, the use of Waddell’s signs should be included in assessing the severity and
character of the pain. (See app A.)
(6)

Psychiatry.
(a)

Particular attention should be paid to documenting all prior psychiatric care. Supportive data should be obtained
for verification of the patient’s verbal history.
(b)


Psychometric assessment should be carried out if such assessment will help quantify the severity of certain
conditions and allow a reference point for future evaluation.
(c)


The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Revised (or current edition) will be
used for diagnostic terminology (app A). The Multiaxial System of Assessment will be used to include Axes I-V. The
degree of social and industrial impairment must be determined and documented, and correlated to the Soldier’s clinical
manifestations for each Axis I and Axis II diagnosis. In addition, relationship of the impairment to military and civilian
performance is required.
(d)


Every effort must be made to distinguish symptoms and impairment resulting from personality disorder or
maladaptive traits from impairments based on other psychiatric conditions.
(7)

Pulmonary. When an MEB is held for restrictive or obstructive pulmonary disease, documentation will be
provided of pulmonary function testing carried out when Soldier is on and off therapeutic medication. There must be
three pulmonary function tests done off medication, two of which must be in agreement within the 5 percent level, and
three done on medication, two of which must agree within the 5 percent level.
(8)

Urology.
(a)

Cases involving neurogenic bladder must have studies done that document the condition.
(b)


All cases involving incontinence must have studies done that document the condition.
(c)


Cases involving incontinence/neurogenic bladder should have documentation regarding severity as indicated by
the number of times self-catheterization is required, the number and type of pads required in a day, or the soilage
frequency.
c. Laboratory studies.


Studies that support and quantify the diagnosis(es) should be included as should any studies
that conflict with the diagnosis(es).
d. Present condition and current functional status.


The current clinical condition of the Soldier should be noted
i n c l u d i n g r e q u i r e d m e d i c a t i o n s a n d a n y n o n - m e d i c a t i o n t r e a t m e n t r e g i m e n t s ( f o r e x a m p l e , p h y s i c a l t h e r a p y ) i n
progress.
(1) The Soldier’s functional status as to the ability to perform his/her required duty should be indicated.
(2) The Soldier’s civilian equivalent performance should be indicated.
(3) A statement should be given regarding the prognosis for functional status after completion of treatment, if
chronic treatment is not necessary.
(4) A statement should be given regarding the prognosis for functional status in cases requiring chronic treatment.
(5) The stability of the current clinical condition and functional status should be addressed.
e. Conclusions.
(1) An informed opinion should be stated as to the Soldier’s ability to meet current retention standards.
(2) If a Soldier does not meet retention standards, the specific reasons why should be stated.
f. Diagnosis(es).


The diagnostic terminology used by the MEB should correlate, if at all possible, with that of the
VASRD. Because the PEBs are required to assess a Soldier’s status based on the VASRD, a clearer understanding of
that status is facilitated when the same terminology is used by the MEBs and the PEBs. All MEB diagnoses will be
given an International Classification of Diseases-Ninth Revision-Clinical Modification (ICD-9-CM) code.
g. Profile (if required by Service regulation).
(1) The physical profile of the Soldier should agree with the severity of the medical impairment as expressed in the
narrative summary.
(2) The physical profile of the DD Form 2808 should agree with that of the physical profile form, as well as that
noted in the MEB cover sheet.

56 AR

I think you should show this reg to your PEBLO and insist that all current medical conditions (see 9.a above) be reflected in the NARSUM regardless of whether they are the boarding action issues. It is worth a shot. Have you had Xray confirmation of degenerative arthritis? If not you need to have this done also.
Good luck,
DMcK​


I appreciate the AR reference. I asked my PEBLO to clarify, we'll see what response I get. Funny thing is the NARSUM does mention my previous broken arm/leg even though they have nothing to do with the board either. Maybe the Doc just forgot to mention the DDD or assumes the spinal fusion "fixed" the DDD?
 
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Very informative site about PDBR, but I was discharged in the sixies and received a disability of 20%. I first received 10% in the 1990s than approximately 3 years ago I received the extra 10%. I did all my own appeal and writing concerning the appeal. My question is, if any person know, during this period of 2001 through now where one can appeal his rating, was the Veteran Affair making low or illegal decisions with regards to appeals from discharged veteran's in the sixies? The reason I'm asking is when I appealed in 2001 to upgrad the disability to 30% because that was what the regs called for concerning my disability, I only received 20%. All my medicals records showed that I had dizzyness from the disability, but the VA never mentioned that when I received the upgrade to 20%.

Thanks,

JohnFid
 
JohnFid,

Welcome! Your question is very complicated. The law changed in 2000 mandating a "duty to assist" on the VA. There were earlier,less robust, rights before the Veterans Claims Assistance Act. It would take a thorough review of the facts of your case to answer your questions.

I assume you are talking about VA claims. While not impossible to appeal the military's rating, there are significant issues that must be looked at regarding the statute of limitations. You can appeal to your services Board for Correction of Military Records, though, the BCMR must find that it is necessary to excuse the filing after 3 years in the "interest of justice." This is not as hard as it sounds, but the issue must be addressed in your case, with reference to the law at that time you were separated.

Please feel free to post any follow up questions (though, maybe best in another thread outside of the Intro forum).
 
HELLO EVERYONE,

I also accidently came across this web address. This is a great source of information. WOW. Thanks. Active Duty Marine starting the PEB process for Autoimmune disorder MG. Anyone else with MG

I've been lurking for a while going through old paperwork to make sure that everything was done correctly when I went through the process. I was diagnosed with MG back in 1988, placed on TDRL, found fit after the 18 month period and then did 6 more years before I was placed on the TDRL again. That time I ended up on the PDRL after the first 18 month period. Sorry I missed your post earlier - any questions on MG let me know.

Greg
 
Hi all!! I love this forum!! I have learned so much about the MEB/PEB process.....THANK YOU!! I am married to an AF MSgt with 20+ years AD. On 26 November his MEB package was forwarded to TX for PEB. A little over a year ago he was diagnosed with chronic PTSD (Iraq related). He has been goint to counseling sessions about twice a month nonstop and is taking medication that is "supposed" to help with the nightmares and depression, etc. He has also undergone 2 cervical operations for injuries on the job - one while deployed. In 2006 it was a C5-C6 Laminectomy and spinal fusion and in 2008 it was a C6-C7 Spinal fusion with C7-T1 left foramenotomy. He has lost full range of motion of his neck - he will never be able to look in his blind spot while driving - he has also been diagnosed with permantent monoparesis and tremor of the right hand, causing him to drop things frequently.

Sorry, I didn't mean to ramble on - you all have just been so helpful. And I will be so glad when this crap is over....the waiting game sucks!!! Wednesday will be 8 weeks his package has been in TX. They better make it worth the wait!!! ;-):confused:
 
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