CRSC Estimate Request

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NavyICE

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Hello Friends,

I'd greatly appreciate if someone more familiar with the math than me could run a CRSC estimate for me. I like to think of myself as a smart enough guy, but CRSC math is one area I simply have never been able to convince myself I'm doing correctly. Here are my particulars:

1. Current DoD disability retirement gross: $5188 ($1,005 net pre-tax after VA Offset)
2. DoD disability retirement percentage: 100%
3. Years and months of active duty: 9 years & 2 months
4. VA compensation: 100% P&T + SMC K-1 + SMC S-1. No dependents of any type. Total VA Comp received currently = $4,182
5. Approved or expected combat related disability percentage: 100%
6. Do you qualify for another type retirement besides CH 61 disability: No

Thanks a ton!
 
NavyICE said:
Hello Friends,

I'd greatly appreciate if someone more familiar with the math than me could run a CRSC estimate for me. I like to think of myself as a smart enough guy, but CRSC math is one area I simply have never been able to convince myself I'm doing correctly. Here are my particulars:

1. Current DoD disability retirement gross: $5188 ($1,005 net pre-tax after VA Offset)
2. DoD disability retirement percentage: 100%
3. Years and months of active duty: 9 years & 2 months
4. VA compensation: 100% P&T + SMC K-1 + SMC S-1. No dependents of any type. Total VA Comp received currently = $4,182
5. Approved or expected combat related disability percentage: 100%
6. Do you qualify for another type retirement besides CH 61 disability: No

Thanks a ton!
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Hello,

1. 9.166 x 2.5% = 22.92% longevity multiplier (2% is used for blended retirement)
2. 5188/75% = 6917 high three
3. proof: 6917 x 75% = 5188 gross
4. 6917 x 22.92% = 1585.37 longevity portion of retired pay max CRSC
5. 1585.37 minus 1005 residual retired pay = 580.37 CRSC payable

Based on your info:
DFAS pays: 1005 residual retired pay and 580.37 CRSC
VA: pays the amount you cited

Note: I did not check your math except Gross Ret pay.

Ron
will review figures in morning—using small phone for a calculator
 
Thanks Ron! I'm grateful for the quick and thorough reply.

One follow-on question: How would the calcs change if the CRSC award percentage was different (ie 60% instead of 100%, for example)? I'm guessing there would be a different process in your Step 5, but not certain and hoping you will be kind enough to explain where / how that variable gets factored in.

Again, thanks for all that you do for me and the many other folks here on PEBForum.
RonG said:
Hello,

1. 9.166 x 2.5% = 22.92% longevity multiplier (2% is used for blended retirement)
2. 5188/75% = 6917 high three
3. proof: 6917 x 75% = 5188 gross
4. 6917 x 22.92% = 1585.37 longevity portion of retired pay max CRSC
5. 1585.37 minus 1005 residual retired pay = 580.37 CRSC payable

Based on your info:
DFAS pays: 1005 residual retired pay and 580.37 CRSC
VA: pays the amount you cited

Note: I did not check your math except Gross Ret pay.

Ron
will review figures in morning—using small phone for a calculator
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NavyICE said:
Thanks Ron! I'm grateful for the quick and thorough reply.

One follow-on question: How would the calcs change if the CRSC award percentage was different (ie 60% instead of 100%, for example)? I'm guessing there would be a different process in your Step 5, but not certain and hoping you will be kind enough to explain where / how that variable gets factored in.

Again, thanks for all that you do for me and the many other folks here on PEBForum.
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Hello @NavyICE

For a CH 61 disability retirement, the CRSC is the lesser (lower amount) of the longevity portion of retired pay OR the amount found in the VA compensation tables (with applicable dependents) that mirrors the approved CRSC percentage. The combination of CRSC and residual retired pay cannot exceed the longevity portion of retired pay.

This is the maximum in the scenario you presented:
4. 6917 x 22.92% = 1585.37 longevity portion of retired pay max CRSC
5. 1585.37 minus 1005 residual retired pay = 580.37 CRSC payable

Based on your info:
DFAS pays: 1005 residual retired pay and 580.37 CRSC
VA: pays the amount you cited
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So, if the amount found in the VA compensation tables (with applicable dependents) that mirrors the approved CRSC percentage is LESS than 580.37, that lesser amount plus residual retired pay would be the two amounts paid by DFAS. Good question on your part. We see cases from time to time where zero CRSC is payable because the residual retired pay is quite large.

The combination of CRSC and residual retired pay cannot exceed the longevity portion of retired pay.

Special Rule for Chapter 61 Disability Retirees:

According to law, members retired for disability under Chapter 61 of title 10 United States Code must have the CRSC entitlement limited to an amount that when combined with any military retired pay remaining after offset for VA disability compensation will not exceed the retired pay they would otherwise be entitled to for retirement computed for years of service (i.e., 2 1/2 percent x active duty or active duty equivalent years of service x high three average base pay. Note: 2 percent is used for those enrolled in the Blended Retirement Program.)

Ron
 
RonG said:
Hello @NavyICE

For a CH 61 disability retirement, the CRSC is the lesser (lower amount) of the longevity portion of retired pay OR the amount found in the VA compensation tables (with applicable dependents) that mirrors the approved CRSC percentage. The combination of CRSC and residual retired pay cannot exceed the longevity portion of retired pay.

This is the maximum in the scenario you presented:
4. 6917 x 22.92% = 1585.37 longevity portion of retired pay max CRSC
5. 1585.37 minus 1005 residual retired pay = 580.37 CRSC payable

Based on your info:
DFAS pays: 1005 residual retired pay and 580.37 CRSC
VA: pays the amount you cited
======================

So, if the amount found in the VA compensation tables (with applicable dependents) that mirrors the approved CRSC percentage is LESS than 580.37, that lesser amount plus residual retired pay would be the two amounts paid by DFAS. Good question on your part. We see cases from time to time where zero CRSC is payable because the residual retired pay is quite large.

The combination of CRSC and residual retired pay cannot exceed the longevity portion of retired pay.

Special Rule for Chapter 61 Disability Retirees:

According to law, members retired for disability under Chapter 61 of title 10 United States Code must have the CRSC entitlement limited to an amount that when combined with any military retired pay remaining after offset for VA disability compensation will not exceed the retired pay they would otherwise be entitled to for retirement computed for years of service (i.e., 2 1/2 percent x active duty or active duty equivalent years of service x high three average base pay. Note: 2 percent is used for those enrolled in the Blended Retirement Program.)

Ron
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I think you've finally explained it in a way I can wrap my head around!

To sanity check myself, it sounds like - for any given individual - you look at the applicable VA disability table and take the lesser of A) the amount shown in the table for the % disability rating that equals your approved CRSC award or B) your maximum CRSC payable amount, based on your longevity retirement amount. Am I following correctly?

Thanks again @RonG, super helpful stuff. It's a shame that nothing like the expertise available on this forum exists anywhere in the IDES process, but so it goes....
 
You are correct. :)

of course there is the combination consideration too.

Ron
 
RonG said:
You are correct. :)

of course there is the combination consideration too.

Ron
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hahaha, I read your first line and thought "great, I finally get it!"

Then I read your second line and that changed to "I don't even know what a combination consideration is".
 
NavyICE said:
hahaha, I read your first line and thought "great, I finally get it!"

Then I read your second line and that changed to "I don't even know what a combination consideration is".
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Special Rule for Chapter 61 Disability Retirees:

According to law, members retired for disability under Chapter 61 of title 10 United States Code must have the CRSC entitlement limited to an amount that when combined with any military retired pay remaining after offset for VA disability compensation will not exceed the retired pay they would otherwise be entitled to for retirement computed for years of service (i.e., 2 1/2 percent x active duty or active duty equivalent years of service x high three average base pay. Note: 2 percent is used for those enrolled in the Blended Retirement Program.)

Ron
 
RonG said:
Special Rule for Chapter 61 Disability Retirees:

According to law, members retired for disability under Chapter 61 of title 10 United States Code must have the CRSC entitlement limited to an amount that when combined with any military retired pay remaining after offset for VA disability compensation will not exceed the retired pay they would otherwise be entitled to for retirement computed for years of service (i.e., 2 1/2 percent x active duty or active duty equivalent years of service x high three average base pay. Note: 2 percent is used for those enrolled in the Blended Retirement Program.)

Ron
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Ahh yes, ok I'm still following. It would seem like this "combination consideration" is already accounted for though, in the steps you helped me understand above, because the "Max CRSC" amount we calculated was already based on: 1) longevity retirement & 2) residual disability retirement received.
 
"Combination consideration" was my term. I doubt it is found anywhere else.

Yes, it was included in the manual computation provided. DFAS employees push buttons to get an amount; from observation and a dozen conversations over the years, many cannot manually compute or explain disability computations.

Ron
 
RonG said:
"Combination consideration" was my term. I doubt it is found anywhere else.

Yes, it was included in the manual computation provided. DFAS employees push buttons to get an amount; from observation and a dozen conversations over the years, many cannot manually compute or explain disability computations.

Ron
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Absolutely. If you want to be even more confused about CRSC (or most other pay issues), ask the average DFAS rep to help you understand it ;)
 
Hi there everyone!

I know it's been years since anyone has posted on here but I truly hope someone can help me figure this out.

I was a SSG, 9 years and 5 months of service, currently rated at 60% Army disabled, 80% CRSC, and 100% VA.

I receive $4,072.12 from the VA.

$881.00 dollars from CRSC.

High 3 if I am not mistaken is $3,748.

According to DFAS my Gross Pay is $2,249.

So my question is, I am currently receiving $881 for 80% CRSC. I just applied to get bumped up. How much would I get if I get bumped up to

90%

100%

?

Thank you very much for your answers!
 
jcmarulanda9 said:
Hi there everyone!

I know it's been years since anyone has posted on here but I truly hope someone can help me figure this out.

I was a SSG, 9 years and 5 months of service, currently rated at 60% Army disabled, 80% CRSC, and 100% VA.

I receive $4,072.12 from the VA.

$881.00 dollars from CRSC.

High 3 if I am not mistaken is $3,748.

According to DFAS my Gross Pay is $2,249.

So my question is, I am currently receiving $881 for 80% CRSC. I just applied to get bumped up. How much would I get if I get bumped up to

90%

100%

?

Thank you very much for your answers!
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you are maxed out by the longevity cap meaning the total compensation of your longevity pension earned + VA disability. I know that's the case without running it through the calculator because 80% is $1,933 and you are only getting $881

It's still good to apply if you qualify for a higher % because the laws on these things may change in the future. For now though it won't go up.
 
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