Can Med Board discharge you as a "Condition Not A Disability"?

[austin7142]

Can Med Board discharge you as a "Condition Not A Disability"?

I'm Active Duty, USMC and I was put onto a Med Board due to my mental health conditions. In my treatment records from one of the first MTF psychologist I saw, upon arriving to my first duty station, she said my conditions were pre-existing. Which is not true, because my medical record was clean upon enlisting and going to MEPS. And I've always explained how my conditions began in either basic training or shortly after.

I have a feeling they will try and seperate me for a "Condition Not A Disability" (if its possible for them to do so), and I was wondering what I could do to overturn that in the event it happens? I'd like to be able to get out with severance pay, and its my understanding it wouldn't be offered if this happened?

 

[oddpedestrian]

You keep asking the same questions over and over just rephrasing it just wait for it to play out you cant mount any defense/offense unless you read what the board says first.

 

[chaplaincharlie]

Yes, this is common with personality disorders.

DSM General Criteria for a Personality Disorder​

A. An enduring pattern of inner experience and behavior the deviates markedly from the expectations of the individual's culture. This pattern is manifested in two (or more) of the following areas:

1. Cognition (i.e., ways of perceiving and interpreting self, other people and events)
2. Affectivity (i.e., the range, intensity, liability, and appropriateness of emotional response)
3. Interpersonal functioning
4. Impulse control

B. The enduring pattern is inflexible and pervasive across a broad range of personal and social situations.

C. The enduring pattern leads to clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

D. The pattern is stable and of long duration, and its onset can be traced back at least to adolescence or early adulthood.

E. The enduring pattern is not better accounted for as a manifestation or consequence of another mental disorder.

F. The enduring pattern is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition (e.g., head trauma).


By definition a PD predates service.

 

[austin7142]

You keep asking the same questions over and over just rephrasing it just wait for it to play out you cant mount any defense/offense unless you read what the board says first.

I'm really sorry, as I've been going along reading and learning more about things I've been updating my question to reflect those changes.

Yeah you're right, I need to see what the Board comes back with. I guess it's my fear and OCD that's driving me to try be overly prepared on things. Especially since the whole process is on hold right now, due to Covid. Again my apologies, I really appreciate the help.

 

[austin7142]

Yeah, that's a bunch of bullshit. They're trying to screw you over with an Admin Sep instead of being Med boarded. What is your diagnosis, if you don't mind me asking? If it is a personality disorder then the reason it is a "condition not a disability" is because it is listed as something that is "pre-existing" even if you didn't know you had it, which sucks. But you could still be eligible to be med-boarded if you have another diagnosis such as depression or PTSD which is considered a "disability". I would recommend getting a lawyer to make sure you don't get screwed over.

My command though has been all on board with helping me with my medical, and encouraging me to get as much benefits as possible. Plus they were originally going to AdSep me, but decided a Med Board was the better route for me.

You mind if I PM you? It's kind of a bizzare condition. And yeah I've got several other disorders, including depression.

How much trust should I have in regards to the military lawyer? Is it hard to tell weather they truly are going to have your best interest at heart? So, will getting a civilian attorney, piss off everyone like the PEBLO, MSC, Nurse Case Manager, and etc ? Or does none of that matter?

 

[austin7142]

Yes, this is common with personality disorders.

DSM General Criteria for a Personality Disorder​

A. An enduring pattern of inner experience and behavior the deviates markedly from the expectations of the individual's culture. This pattern is manifested in two (or more) of the following areas:

1. Cognition (i.e., ways of perceiving and interpreting self, other people and events)
2. Affectivity (i.e., the range, intensity, liability, and appropriateness of emotional response)
3. Interpersonal functioning
4. Impulse control

C. The enduring pattern leads to clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

D. The pattern is stable and of long duration, and its onset can be traced back at least to adolescence or early adulthood.

E. The enduring pattern is not better accounted for as a manifestation or consequence of another mental disorder.

F. The enduring pattern is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition (e.g., head trauma).


By definition a PD predates service.

E. The enduring pattern is not better accounted for as a manifestation or consequence of another mental disorder.

So my doc told me that she had a tough time deciding weather or not my referred condition (i'll just call it condition 1) and another condition I have (which is OCD) is the root of my issues. She ended up deciding to refer me for condition 1.

So the OCD has definitely contributed to, made worse, or caused my condition 1.

So is that mean, this all could be possibly ruled out?

 

[chaplaincharlie]

E. The enduring pattern is not better accounted for as a manifestation or consequence of another mental disorder.

So my doc told me that she had a tough time deciding weather or not my referred condition (i'll just call it condition 1) and another condition I have (which is OCD) is the root of my issues. She ended up deciding to refer me for condition 1.

So the OCD has definitely contributed to, made worse, or caused my condition 1.

So is that mean, this all could be possibly ruled out?

OCD is a little more tricky because there is Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder.

Here is article that demonstrates how the two are different.

OCD vs. OCPD: 5 Differences

A few weeks ago on the Savvy Psychologist podcast, we tackled the most common personality disorder: OCPD. Listener Amanda M. of St. Louis, who requested the episode, rightly notes that OCPD often gets confused with a very different disorder that has a very similar name: Obsess

www.quickanddirtytips.com

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This is a case I would recommend an attorney if the C&P exam goes to OCPD vice OCD. An attorney with knowledge of MH disorder or who consults with an experienced MH provider would be even better.

 

[austin7142]

OCD is a little more tricky because there is Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder.

Here is article that demonstrates how the two are different.

OCD vs. OCPD: 5 Differences

A few weeks ago on the Savvy Psychologist podcast, we tackled the most common personality disorder: OCPD. Listener Amanda M. of St. Louis, who requested the episode, rightly notes that OCPD often gets confused with a very different disorder that has a very similar name: Obsess

www.quickanddirtytips.com

.


This is a case I would recommend an attorney if the C&P exam goes to OCPD vice OCD. An attorney with knowledge of MH disorder or who consults with an experienced MH provider would be even better.

Yeah I definitely don't have OCPD or any symptoms of it, so I think I'm safe there.

But if they did, I'll definitely do that. Thank You.