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An Attorney urges Congress to end sleep apnea claims 'abuse'

From the Stars & Stripes:

In 2001, the year U.S. forces invaded Afghanistan, 983 veterans began to draw disability compensation from the Department of Veterans Affairs for sleep apnea, a disorder linked to obesity and characterized by pauses in breathing during sleep that can cause chronic drowsiness.
Last year, 25 times that number of veterans and military retirees (24,791) were added to VA compensation rolls for service-connected sleep apnea, raising the number of vets and retirees drawing apnea payments to 114,103, double the number VA reported just three years earlier.
VA compensation for sleep apnea now exceeds $1.2 billion annually under the most conservative of calculations. Michael T. Webster, a former naval aviator and family law attorney in Shalimar, Fla., calls this boom a scam and an offense to veterans who suffer from “real disabilities.”

Webster seeks to shine a spotlight on what he sees as “widespread abuse” of the VA claims system, mostly by recent retirees. He began with a May 6 letter to his congressman, Rep. Jeff Miller (R-Fla.), who is chairman of the House Armed Services Committee.

“Virtually every single family law case which I have handled involving military members during the past three years has had the military retiree receiving a VA ‘disability’ based upon sleep apnea,” Webster wrote. “A recently retired colonel told me that military members approaching retirement are actually briefed that if they claim VA disability based on sleep apnea, then they receive an automatic 50 percent disability rating thereby qualifying for ‘concurrent’ payment status.”

A spokesman for Chairman Miller said: “These are obviously very serious allegations and the committee is looking into them to ensure that veterans benefits go only to those who have earned them.”

VA data show 88 percent of veterans diagnosed with sleep apnea have a 50-percent disability rating. That’s because if a sleep study confirms apnea on active duty, or the condition can be linked back to time in service, and a CPAP (continuous positive airway pressure) machine is prescribed, then the current VA rating schedule requires a 50 percent disability rating.
Ironically, physicians who treat the disorder say that if a CPAP provides relief, vets no longer should be viewed as disabled, a nuance ignored by the Veterans Affairs Schedule for Rating Disabilities (VASRD).

“Many people who have sleep apnea and are on treatment are not disabled. I would say the majority,” said Dr. Samuel Kuna, chief of sleep medicine at the Philadelphia VA Medical Center, in a phone interview.

That seems to support Webster’s argument that VA is compensating increasing numbers of veterans who aren’t disabled. Webster said he knows of retired Air Force pilots diagnosed with sleep apnea who have passed rigorous flight physicals to be able to fly commercial aircraft.
VA’s Dr. Kuna stopped short of sharing his opinion on whether thousands of veterans he views as not disabled should still draw VA compensation.

“I’m a clinician on the front line taking care of the patient. My focus is on managing that patient’s medical problem,” Kuna said. “So I am not involved with their disability claim, other than providing information that they may need for their applications.”

VA has been compensating for sleep apnea only since 1996 when VASRD ratings for respiratory diseases received a major overhaul. The ease with which a claimant with sleep apnea reaches the 50-percent threshold is significant for retirees. Ratings below 50 percent, for those who don’t have a CPAP, have no relief from the ban on concurrent receipt of both retired pay and VA compensation. Retired pay is cut dollar-for-dollar by VA payments.

With a 50-percent rating, retirees boost monthly income by at least $810, more if they are married or have other dependents.
Webster said word has spread, particularly among careerists nearing retirement, that if they snore they’d be foolish not to request a sleep study to check for apnea. Such testing used to be done in a lab. More often today it is conducted at home using a headband or wristband device that collects medical data during sleep.

If there is cessation of airflow into the lungs for at least 10 seconds and at least five times an hour, mild sleep apnea is diagnosed, and a CPAP can be prescribed. Patients with severe apnea have 30 or more events per hour. Severe apnea, if not treated, can damage the heart or lead to respiratory failure or other injuries.
Kuna said he finds no unique association between sleep apnea and the rigors of service life except in cases of wounds or injuries to nasal passages. In those cases, surgery is the usual treatment rather than a CPAP.

“The greatest risk factor for sleep apnea is obesity,” Kuna said. “And we have had an epidemic of obesity over the last two decades, at least in the United States…We do see a lot of young veterans who are overweight a year or two after they have left the service.”

A sleep study is needed to diagnose apnea. If done on active duty, the condition is service-connected and usually compensable. For vets and retirees diagnosed after service, establishing a “medical nexus” to service time is more difficult but still possible. Claimants provide statements from spouses or colleagues that they snored heavily in service, had difficulty sleeping and point to medical records showing fatigue or trouble sleeping.

Tom Murphy, compensation services director for VA, said compensation claims for sleep apnea or any other medical condition are “demand driven” and not something VA would want to discourage. Veterans today, he said, simply “are more aware of what their benefits are and are taking advantage of it.”
Verna Jones, director of American Legion’s veterans’ affairs and rehabilitation division, called Webster’s letter “hurtful” to vets with sleep apnea who only in recent years have discovered why they snored so loud and were chronically tired. She said any surge in claims is a credit to VA, the Legion and to other veteran service organizations that are briefing veterans more thoroughly “on all types of disabilities they can apply for.”

Webster, however, said it’s a slap at veterans “truly disabled,” like his late father who, as a 21-year-old Marine, lost an arm at the shoulder from gun mount explosion at sea. His dad later married, raised seven children and could fix anything as long one of his kids helped with a tool or nail. Carved on his tombstone, said Webster, is “HHT” for “Here, hold this.”

“When you grow up like that, seeing a one-armed individual not giving into ‘the disability,’ [and] then to see people with no disability whatsoever sucking huge amounts of money out of federal coffers, while our airplanes are being grounded and ships are not putting to sea…it pissed me off. Somebody needs to blow the whistle. By God, if somebody is disabled, compensate them. But this is a sham and it rankles me to the core.”

Here's the link:
http://www.stripes.com/news/veteran...ress-to-end-sleep-apnea-claims-abuse-1.223588

(A huge thank you to gimartin for posting this article originally....I had to change the thread author in order to properly promote this article on the front page).
 
I was just diagnosed, still waiting on my machine. I'm not obese. In fact, I've gone from 175 pounds to 135 pounds since my injury. I need reconstructive surgery on my nose but they won't do it until I get my migraines, head, and facial pain under control, which is made worse from nit sleeping. I'm in a catch 22. To say that sleep apnea isn't a disability is garbage. Even with a machine, from what I've been reading, some people still don't recover from the fatigue an cognitive losses. The machine jut helps make sure you don't die. Plus there is no cure, so you are stuck on a machine for life.
I'm sure there are some people that get the machine and rating then never use it, but they are really only hurting themselves and taking a chance with their own lives.
If the person was diagnosed properly and has medical evidence, the rating is warranted in my opinion. If they are concerned about scammers, the machines used nowadays have data cards that show compliance. If someone fails to comply with the treatment then maybe lower the rating.
 
the system is screwed up, this is almost comical. my situation isnt typical but here it is: I was having terrible insomnia for around a year, and self medicated (tylenol PM, Melatonin) when it got to the point I was only getting 2-3 hours a night or less of sleep I gave in and saw my PCM at Wright Patterson AFB. I was told that before I could be given a prescription sleep med, I would have to have a sleep study conducted. I was scheduled and spent the night at the sleep clinic (at the base hospital) and diagnosed with moderate OSA.. I am far from obese.. I didnt really care one way or the other i just wanted my damn sleep meds becuase terrible insomnia sucks!! I was told I didnt have an option and they sent a tech out to my house with a free CPAP and showed me how to use it. I was finally able to get a prescription sleep med and am now sleeping well.

not once did I ever request a sleep study or ask for a CPAP... but i bet when I get to 19 years of service, the skeptics will abound that I am just trying to milk the system. I probably have enough to get past the 50% CDRP mark anyway... I am more concerned with trying to make it to 20.

the funny part is I have always snored loudly... but back in the 90s nobody had heard of sleep apnea... it wasnt on the MEPS medical questionairres to get in either.. and it still isnt to this day!! if it is such a problem, why dont we screen for it at inital entry into the service?
 
I was diagnosed with severe sleep apnea a little over a month ago. I've had sleep issues since my deployment. I tried other things and finally my wife made me go ask for a sleep study. I went through the sleep study in the sleep lab at the local military hospital. I then received a BIPAP machine. I have been using it for a few weeks. I went for a follow up yesterday and they read the data card on my machine. My doctor asked if I could come back at night for a follow up study to modify my pressures as I was still having apneas even with the machine. I did the titration sleep study last night. I hope when they make changes to my machine that I will see improvement. I have seen some help from the machine, but still experience significant daytime drowsiness and cognitive issues.
Having read the article, I can understand that sleep apnea is not the same as losing a limb, but if I have a condition that warrants sleeping with a machine for the remainder of my life, then I think it warrants some compensation. I don't want to argue the ratings for this condition. Someone determined the percentage, so I should receive what is currently entitled per the VASRD.
I have been found unfit for two other conditions, not sleep apnea.
 
On paper the system looks like a fair and mostly impartial process to attain financial compensation based upon the wear, damage, affliction, disease, loss, or diminishment of a body part or system. The system is advertized as user friendly, and with a moderate amount of documentation there is a presumption of integrity on the part of the claiming; Soldier, Airman, Seaman, Marine, Reservist, Guardsman, Coast Guardsman, and any other branch I have quite by accident forgot. There are many on this site who can tell horror stories of neglect, abuse and unfortunately fraud. The big problem this letter faces is that the author is calling for change. Change is sometimes good, but change can be bad as well. Our criminal system has the presumption of innocence (Not UCMJ I know) but as citizens we are innocent until proven guilty. Please when we change the VA system (Change is inevitable) please encourage your elected officials to keep the spirit of “innocent until proven guilty”. Or rather “the Veteran is telling the truth about their condition until proven otherwise”.

I absolutely respect all Veterans who have lost more, or less than I think I have. This is not about me and my Sleep Apnea claim. This is about reform. We need the whole system to reform but keep the spirit of what we are supposed to have happen. The above mentioned fantasy fair and impartial process to attain compensation for what we have given or lost. Is their fraud? Absolutely there is and it is reprehensible. However I am not qualified to determine if someone is being fraudulent, and neither are the medical professionals if we charge them with an exclusionary agenda. The facts as I believe them are that the Department of Veterans affairs should continue to encourage all who serve to claim all they can to process through that system. The problem is if we assume that all are lying up front we place an undue burden on those Veterans who are truly in need. There is an old saying “better 100 guilty men go free than one innocent man go to jail” well I say it’s better for the Department to encourage all claims than to start excluding at the beginning, so that a needy veteran gets service.

Lately we as a government are publically admitting we are hurting for money. We are not going to make it back by finding ways to deny veterans compensation (Not just talking about sleep apnea). But the public mood seems to be shifting towards marginalizing the needs of veterans a whole. This story is just part of it. Yes fraud should outrage us all. And it should be punished. But to single out one diagnosis, and one VARSAD rating is not the best solution to correct this issue. The best way to correct this issue is to maintain the integrity of the intent of the process, and to analyze all of the ratings and to properly update them. I fear if we do it whilly nilly and one at a time. That opens up the door for the fraud to be worked in the opposite direction from the Department to the Veteran.

Lastly I am not calling the author out nor attacking their point of view on Sleep Apnea. I am simply saying that our current system allows the rating. So no one who is really suffering from Sleep Apnea and is receiving the % is wrong or immoral. It has been pointed out that there are many diagnosis that are both over and under paid. I just truly fear that if we try to reform the VARSAD 1 diagnosis at a time we are going to end up with lower ratings on the high % issues and will still face an uphill battle on the low % issues that should be higher.
 
Bottom line: sleep apnea is a serious, potentially deadly illness that many veterans suffer from and was brought-on during and/or because of their military service.

I bet this Webster guy has never suffered from or had a loved one who has suffered from sever sleep apnea. Besides, he's a lawyer not a doctor; so, his opinion on a physical medical conditions carries no weight. One last thing, good job on calling thousands of fellow veterans liars and cheats.
 
This topic got me a little heated as well. My situation is this: I've had chronic insomnia for a a few years now. There was a year straight where the Army docs basically threw Ambien at it for a year straight. I hated taking the Ambien because I never felt like I was really sleeping and I hated not taking the Ambien because then I really never slept at all. I mean, I would literally stay awake for nights on end. I am active duty and it is impossible trying to to the required job on little to no sleep.

In February of this year, my local Army doc finally ordered a sleep study and was subsequently diagnosed with sleep apnea. I never really thought I snored very loud but there it was. The thing I told the doc right off the bat was that the insomnia and sleep apnea, with me, are two different issues for the most part. As of now, I use the CPAP nightly. The problem is that I still have a sleep latency of 4-5 hours nightly.

I am in no way looking for that "big paycheck" with my apnea but, as stated in this thread already, it was a condition that I incurred while on active duty, am stuck with a machine probably for the rest of my life, therefore it should be considered when going for VA disability. As ceilingfan mentioned above, I am willing to bet that this guy has never suffered or had a loved one who suffered from sleep apnea and is extremely insensitive with the issue and this makes gets me a little heated.

My hope is that this issue is merely a flash in the pan and the VA stays focused on it's many more pressing issues, because everyone in this forum knows that those issues are a' plenty!
 
I did my sleep study 7 weeks ago. Got told by a recording 2 weeks ago I have OSA and need to schedule a class to get my machine. I scheduled it the same day but they are booked a month out since they only do the class Monday and Tuesday, so I have another 2 weeks before I even get a machine, if they give it at the class. Then who knows if I will need a titration study before using it. Damn, I haven't been able to sleep more than a cople hours a night since my accident 10 months ago. I'm tired.
I think this author would be writing a totally different article if he had ever experienced OSA. It can be a very disabling condition that has a huge effect on your entire life.
 
Did it ever occur to him that there are more cases of sleep apnea because so many more people are being boarded than before? I'm sure PTSD claims, hearing claims and a lot of other issues have increased as well.

I feel so guilty that they misdiagnosis me and caused me to fracture my back. I struggled to maintain my waist and succeeded right up to my last PT test no matter how many times I ended up in the ER. I didn’t even know I had sleep apnea, I thought my snoring was waking me up. Truthfully, if I knew I had sleep apnea I would never had agreed to the test.

How dare we get hurt and make claims with the VA. Yes I might be angry.
 
I think this Michael Webster is an idiot (my opinion on his motives and ethics are a separate matter...I have my suspicions, though). And his "evidence" is ridiculous and wrong.

I will add a note about my thoughts on this Dr. Kuna. He should be fired.

I have some issues with the reporting, which I describe below.
From the Stars & Stripes:

In 2001, the year U.S. forces invaded Afghanistan, 983 veterans began to draw disability compensation from the Department of Veterans Affairs for sleep apnea, a disorder linked to obesity and characterized by pauses in breathing during sleep that can cause chronic drowsiness.
Last year, 25 times that number of veterans and military retirees (24,791) were added to VA compensation rolls for service-connected sleep apnea, raising the number of vets and retirees drawing apnea payments to 114,103, double the number VA reported just three years earlier.
VA compensation for sleep apnea now exceeds $1.2 billion annually under the most conservative of calculations. Michael T. Webster, a former naval aviator and family law attorney in Shalimar, Fla., calls this boom a scam and an offense to veterans who suffer from “real disabilities.”


The figures are essentially meaningless. The fact that it took the VA too long to adjudicate cases, the fact that the number of Veterans went up during the time period stated not being accounted for, and the fact that I suspect the statistic is misleading in the first place (i.e, comparing additional claims approved for OSA vice total claims over a lengthier period of time mistakes and misleads readers as to the meaning of statistics) raises issues in my mind about selective statistic quoting to support an erroneous conclusion.



Webster seeks to shine a spotlight on what he sees as “widespread abuse” of the VA claims system, mostly by recent retirees. He began with a May 6 letter to his congressman, Rep. Jeff Miller (R-Fla.), who is chairman of the House Armed Services Committee.
“Virtually every single family law case which I have handled involving military members during the past three years has had the military retiree receiving a VA ‘disability’ based upon sleep apnea,” Webster wrote. “A recently retired colonel told me that military members approaching retirement are actually briefed that if they claim VA disability based on sleep apnea, then they receive an automatic 50 percent disability rating thereby qualifying for ‘concurrent’ payment status.”



First, I dispute the figures supplied, his basis for commenting on them, and the bogus attribution to a "recently retired colonel." (As to the last point, who supposedly told military members that a VA claim for Sleep Apnea results in an "automatic award."?) As a matter of law, this is wrong- in order to be awarded 50%, the Veteran must have a service connection finding AND the need to use a CPAP prescribed to treat the OSA.
My objection to what I suspect are bogus numbers as to "virtually" every case he handled concerning military members is this:
1) This attorney is a family law practitioner in Florida. Though he advertises his military connection and experience with military family law matters, given that military and veterans make up a small percentage of the total population, I will suggest that the total pool of cases he handles that are "military" related is small. How many total cases does he handle a year? 100? (One every third day?) (365 per year? One every day?) And what percentage of those are "military cases"? I would be shocked if he handles more than 20 military cases a year. And I highly doubt that "virtually" all of these involve a member with sleep apnea. I think he is obviously mistaken, lying, or is only talking about a handful of his total cases. Want further evidence of the basis for my doubt? Here you go: The VA report from 2011 states this as the total number (and percentage of total service connected findings) of service connected findings by body system:


"Frequency of Individual Service-Connected Disabilities by Body System
for Veterans Receiving Compensation at the End of Fiscal Year 2011



Body System

Number of Disabilities Percent of Total
Musculoskeletal System 4,721,091 36%
Impairment of Auditory Acuity 1,679,146 12.80%
Skin 1,407,126 10.70%
Neurological Conditions and
Convulsive Disorders 1,183,512 9%
Mental Disorders 878,417 6.70%
Cardiovascular System 732,523 5.60%
Digestive System 675,434 5.10%

Respiratory System 582,933 4.40%
Genitourinary System 464,634 3.50%
Endocrine System 396,121 3%
Eye 187,440 1.40%
Gynecological System 72,512 0.60%
Dental and Oral Conditions 58,705 0.40%
Infectious Diseases, Immune Disorders
and Nutritional Deficiencies 47,756 0.40%
Hemic and Lymphatic Systems 39,147 0.30%
Total All Conditions 13,126,497 100%"


http://www.vba.va.gov/REPORTS/abr/2011_abr.pdf

But, wait, there is more- Sleep apnea is a subset of Respiratory conditions. The breakdown of the most common respiratory conditions in the VBA report states this:

Most Prevalent Service-Connected Disabilities
Body System Disability Total Number Total (%)


Respiratory System
Allergic rhinitis 98,406 16.9%
Sleep apnea syndromes

(obstructive, central, mixed) 89,312 15.3%
Bronchial asthma 81,244 13.9%


This means, that applying the total figure of sleep apnea conditions- 89,312 to the above number of 13,126,497 (total conditions) means that the actual percentage of sleep apnea conditions awarded service connection is .6% of total cases. A little more than half a percentage point.

Now, I will freely admit that I am by no means a mathematician, statistician, or epidemiologist. However, ever if I am off by a HUGE margin (don't see how I could be based on the VA's own numbers- and, I would argue that unlike Mr. Webster, who uses such precise terms as "virtually" in relation to all of the many ones of cases he has likely handled over the past several years, I actually cite to real numbers), Mr. Webster's alleged numbers do not add up- he is lying, mistaken, wrong, confused, or has had a highly improbable run of "luck" in seeing sleep apnea cases in his family law practice that make his experiences as irrelevant and invalid a his bogus arguments. (While he apparently feels that he should speak up to guard the fisc of the United States from all of the sneaky Veterans who are trying to cheat the government, I find his diligence on this point odd, as he is apparently a forthright defender of convicted criminals- like his friend, Richard Scruggs, an attorney convicted of bribery, (or that attorney's son, Zach Scruggs; Mr. Webster apparently wrote a letter to the Court in defense of both of these criminals. I am glad to know that at least some of his interest is in keeping our system morally correct...it is great when someone gets riled up enough to protect our dollars from being spent to pay those undeserving Veterans).

A spokesman for Chairman Miller said: “These are obviously very serious allegations and the committee is looking into them to ensure that veterans benefits go only to those who have earned them.”

I will only comment that this statement is kind of correct- they are serious allegations. But, they are without merit. I would hope that the committee would focus on making sure worthy Veterans get their due instead of focusing on dubious and unsupported allegations from someone wholly unqualified to allege them in a search to deny benefits. The government has a demonstrated history of denying benefits to qualified Veterans. I am unaware of cases where the government has overpaid Veterans. The reality is that the government has under performed in paying what is due; I question any efforts that seek to deny benefits when the government has not met its promises in paying Veterans in the first place.


VA data show 88 percent of veterans diagnosed with sleep apnea have a 50-percent disability rating.That’s because if a sleep study confirms apnea on active duty, or the condition can be linked back to time in service, and a CPAP (continuous positive airway pressure) machine is prescribed, then the current VA rating schedule requires a 50 percent disability rating.
Ironically, physicians who treat the disorder say that if a CPAP provides relief, vets no longer should be viewed as disabled, a nuance ignored by the Veterans Affairs Schedule for Rating Disabilities (VASRD).

(Emphasis added)

Well, this seems flat wrong:
Total Service-Connected Disabilities for Veterans Receiving Compensation at the End of Fiscal Year 2011 by Percent and Body System



Rating Mental Disorders Cardiovascular Digestive System Respiratory System
0% 24,307 2.8% 162,365 22.2% 399,435 59.1% 278,602 47.8%
10% 121,163 13.8% 285,955 39.0% 189,551 28.1% 124,199 21.3%
20% 531 0.1% 54,202 7.4% 25,168 3.7% 4,884 0.8%
30% 246,643 28.1% 102,776 14.0% 37,485 5.5% 64,488 11.1%
40% 474 0.1% 18,214 2.5% 6,390 0.9% 889 0.2%

50% 185,946 21.2% 1,020 0.1% 1,120 0.2% 79,354 13.6%
60% 193 0.0% 66,553 9.1% 6,650 1.0% 15,172 2.6%
70% 160,315 18.3% 123 0.0% 177 0.0% 81 0.0%
80% 22 0.0% 42 0.0% 399 0.1% 97 0.0%
90% 3 0.0% 19 0.0% 1 0.0% 3 0.0%
100% 138,819 15.8% 41,253 5.6% 9,058 1.3% 5,163 2.6%
Total 878,417 6.7% 732,523 5.6% 675,434 5.1% 582,933 4.4%
http://www.vba.va.gov/REPORTS/abr/2011_abr.pdf
Now, I hate a few people. I really try not to, but there are some that I just flat out hate. Included in those are people who just make up numbers. I can't say for sure that the "article" quoted above, or the reporter just made up some numbers. But, that 88 percent number? Well, looking that VA report, the actual number would be 18.8 percent. Maybe the fault is mine. But, I suspect, the article is wrong- they are lying or they are dumb. Don't care which, they are trying to sell newspaper articles on the back of denying Veterans their due. I think I hate them.


“Many people who have sleep apnea and are on treatment are not disabled. I would say the majority,” said Dr. Samuel Kuna, chief of sleep medicine at the Philadelphia VA Medical Center, in a phone interview.

Flat out, this "doctor" (I put it in a parenthetical, because while I believe he is actually a doctor, his incompetence on legal matters and his willingness to weigh in on it makes me doubt his entitlement to the honorific- I also doubt, deeply, the wisdom of his employment in the VA system) is wrong. By definition, someone with sleep apnea is "disabled." This is not a debatable issue. Sleep apnea is a disability. I think this Dr. Kuna should be fired. Here is why. He is a VA employee. He is the "Chief of Sleep Medicine" for the Philadelphia VA Medical Center. He is taking a position that is in opposition to the facts found by (necessity, by the Secretary of Veterans Affairs, Eric Shinseki) that the Veterans he is discussing have sleep apnea and are disabled. I would ask whether he was authorized by the VA or by the Secretary to offer this opinion in the first place. I would also think that any Veteran denied a rating by the PA Regional Office for sleep apnea would have an appealable issue for the denial of any service connection or rating issue based on the fact that the Chief of Sleep Medicine at this VA activity clearly does not understand the law or appears to ignore the findings of the Secretary that sleep apnea is a disability.

That seems to support Webster’s argument that VA is compensating increasing numbers of veterans who aren’t disabled. Webster said he knows of retired Air Force pilots diagnosed with sleep apnea who have passed rigorous flight physicals to be able to fly commercial aircraft.
VA’s Dr. Kuna stopped short of sharing his opinion on whether thousands of veterans he views as not disabled should still draw VA compensation.

I would ask Webster to stop putting forth hypothetical or otherwise non-specified cases of "retired pilots that he knows of" and to state the specific facts. Notable in his statement is the lack of specificity as to the timeline of his statements. Were these alleged pilots retired for disability for OSA? Were they only diagnosed for this condition but not found unfit? Were they rated by the VA for these conditions? Did the pilots disclose their diagnosis to the FAA? Does he know (or have any basis for knowing) the difference between military retention standards in the AF (and which year he is referencing, taking into account that AFI 48-123 was recently updated), VA standards, and FAA standards? If he doesn't and can't cite the specific circumstances and regulations that would apply, I would say that he is both misinformed and is likely acting unethically in advancing legal arguments that he has no bases for making. I tend to think the is just pushing for notoriety- that is my opinion. If he has some bases for his positions I would like to know what they are ( I could be wrong, but, apparently, in the past he ran for an elected position as a judge; I would be interested in knowing if he is interested in or pursuing a potential judicial office; I tend to think his, so far, unsupported and wrong positions on the law would be of interest to voters in Florida, where he has sought judicial office before and there is a high percentage of Veterans in the voting population).

“I’m a clinician on the front line taking care of the patient. My focus is on managing that patient’s medical problem,” Kuna said. “So I am not involved with their disability claim, other than providing information that they may need for their applications.”

A cop out. This seems to be backpedaling on his clear statements that are contrary to VA statutes, laws, regulations, and the direction of the Secretary of Veterans Affairs. I stand by my concerns with this person being employed by the VA when he clearly does not support the clear position of the VA on whether sleep apnea is a disability or not. I also wonder if he had permission to speak to the media on behalf of the VA. Whether he did or not, it raises a legal issue for all sleep apnea claims before that VA Regional Office. I call on Dr. Kuna to retract his statements and/or to resign (I prefer the latter).

VA has been compensating for sleep apnea only since 1996 when VASRD ratings for respiratory diseases received a major overhaul. The ease with which a claimant with sleep apnea reaches the 50-percent threshold is significant for retirees. Ratings below 50 percent, for those who don’t have a CPAP, have no relief from the ban on concurrent receipt of both retired pay and VA compensation. Retired pay is cut dollar-for-dollar by VA payments.

I have concerns with how the article described the history of sleep apnea ratings. The article is correct that in 1996 there was an update to respiratory ratings. However, sleep apnea was rated well before that date (albeit often by analogy- see this BVA opinion discussing ratings for sleep apnea in 1992- ( rating, by anlaogy to narcolepsy- http://www.va.gov/vetapp94/files3/9422752.txt). The reporting also omits some important points- it appears to suggest some connection to the 50% requirement for Concurrent Retirement and Disability Pay ("CRDP") for those with otherwise eligible for length of service retirement with service connection for sleep apnea. Regarding CRDP, the article does not mention that it is a combined rating that is important, not solely a single rating that reaches the 50% level. The article, in touching on the CRDP issues, does not correctly address the proper criteria for CRDP- which is at best a secondary issue to the main point of the article concerning service connection and rating for CRDP in the first place. I would hope that Stars and Stripes or the author would issue a correction, retraction, or explanation of this point in order to clarify these issues and make sure that worthy claimants are not discouraged from pursuing their due for their service connected disabilities.

If there is cessation of airflow into the lungs for at least 10 seconds and at least five times an hour, mild sleep apnea is diagnosed, and a CPAP can be prescribed. Patients with severe apnea have 30 or more events per hour. Severe apnea, if not treated, can damage the heart or lead to respiratory failure or other injuries. Kuna said he finds no unique association between sleep apnea and the rigors of service life except in cases of wounds or injuries to nasal passages. In those cases, surgery is the usual treatment rather than a CPAP.
Further proof that Dr. Kuna should be fired. He evidences a complete ignorance of the issues for VA compensation. Those are, mainly, "a present disability," and "service connection." See, generally, 38 C.F.R. Part 4. There is no requirement for a "unique association" between any condition and the "rigors of service life." Why does the "Chief of Sleep Medicine" at a VA major medical center not understand that the presumptions of sound condition (provided for by statute- meaning that Congress has mandated this) apply? See 38 U.S.C. § 1111.


“The greatest risk factor for sleep apnea is obesity,” Kuna said. “And we have had an epidemic of obesity over the last two decades, at least in the United States…We do see a lot of young veterans who are overweight a year or two after they have left the service.”

This statement shows both a prejudice against finding service connection for sleep apnea, and a clear ignorance of the presumptive rules for service connection. Outside of the fact that these points render his argument irrelevant, I will for the sake of dismantling his erroneous argument pose this question: can Dr. Kuna point out any study or scholarly article that definitely points to obesity as a causative factor in OSA as opposed to a coincidental factor? By this I mean that that there is no solid medical evidence (generally accepted medical principle) that obesity causes OSA vice OSA causes obesity. Regardless, the issue raised has nothing to do with the presumptions of service connection. Thanks, Dr. Kuna, "Chief of Sleep Medicine" for offering a public statement that is contrary to statute, law, and VA regulations and of dubious scientific validity. My second question to Dr. Kuna is whether he is speaking on behalf of the Department of Veterans Affairs in this interview. If he is speaking on behalf of the Secretary, his statements would be very helpful to all Veterans with sleep apnea- by offering a legal basis to challenge any denial of service connection.

A sleep study is needed to diagnose apnea. If done on active duty, the condition is service-connected and usually compensable. For vets and retirees diagnosed after service, establishing a “medical nexus” to service time is more difficult but still possible. Claimants provide statements from spouses or colleagues that they snored heavily in service, had difficulty sleeping and point to medical records showing fatigue or trouble sleeping.

As a basic statement, this is flat wrong! (While it describes a way to establish service connection, it neglect the several other ways this can be done.) There are several ways to establish service connection. Among them are showing that:


(1) there is a direct causative link between the current disability and something that occurred during the period of military service ("direct service connection")
(2) the current disability is a condition that preexisted service, but was aggravated or became worse during service ("service aggravation");
(3) the current disability is a condition that did not manifest itself (that is, did not show up or have its onset) during service, but is presumed to have started, or be connected to something that happened, during service by virtue of a statute or VA regulation ("presumptive service connection")- this is a huge issue as the one year presumptive period may apply to sleep apnea. See 38 U.S.C. §1110.
(4) the current disability is the result of a primary medical condition and that medical condition is itself connected to the period of military service (known as "secondary service connection").
As far as "proof" the article neglects to mention that both the Veterans own statement may suffice to establish service connection or medical opinion may be provided (in addition, or in lieu of the third party lay statements that may be provided, as described in the article).
The article makes it sound like this is an uphill battle. Sure, in some cases, it may be. However, this article as written may tend to discourage those with valid claims from applying and being granted compensation for a condition that they may well be awarded easier than suggested by the article. I hope that Stars and Stripes considers correcting this article.


Tom Murphy, compensation services director for VA, said compensation claims for sleep apnea or any other medical condition are “demand driven” and not something VA would want to discourage. Veterans today, he said, simply “are more aware of what their benefits are and are taking advantage of it.”
Generally, I agree...but, I don't care for the "taking advantage of it" language. If a Veteran applies for something that they are due, they are not "taking advantage" of anything- they are getting their due compensation for their honorable service. It is not a hand out. It is compensation for their service connected disabilities. (Not to be pedantic, but a similar line of thought or language should be used for everyone who earns a paycheck in America...when you cash your paycheck, you are not "taking advantage" of your earned pay- you are receiving your pay for an honest days work. The distinction may sound like semantics, but I think it is not. Earned compensation is earned compensation. Shame on anyone who tries to characterize it as something else.

Verna Jones, director of American Legion’s veterans’ affairs and rehabilitation division, called Webster’s letter “hurtful” to vets with sleep apnea who only in recent years have discovered why they snored so loud and were chronically tired. She said any surge in claims is a credit to VA, the Legion and to other veteran service organizations that are briefing veterans more thoroughly “on all types of disabilities they can apply for.”

This is a good point that seems to be lost in Webster's failure to account for better claims processes and increased awareness by Veterans of their benefits (though, as I alluded to, above, I think Webster must be exaggerating his experiences in seeing claims, lying, or mistaken).


Webster, however, said it’s a slap at veterans “truly disabled,” like his late father who, as a 21-year-old Marine, lost an arm at the shoulder from gun mount explosion at sea. His dad later married, raised seven children and could fix anything as long one of his kids helped with a tool or nail. Carved on his tombstone, said Webster, is “HHT” for “Here, hold this.”

HHT....well, I do respect Webster's father. However, Webster's homily does nothing to add to, explain, or justify his own (and not his father's) argument about sleep apnea. Nor does it explain Webster's implausible figure of "virtually" all family law cases he sees that contain a claim or award of compensation for sleep apnea (and, by the way, I wonder why the specific disability a litigant has would come up at all in a state court family law matter- the relevant issue would be total income divisible in a marital estate or available under relevant rules for child support. The specific disability would be wholly irrelevant to any issue that he would deal with in a state family law matter. If I am wrong, I would be very interested in knowing why I am wrong on this point.


“When you grow up like that, seeing a one-armed individual not giving into ‘the disability,’ [and] then to see people with no disability whatsoever sucking huge amounts of money out of federal coffers, while our airplanes are being grounded and ships are not putting to sea…it pissed me off. Somebody needs to blow the whistle. By God, if somebody is disabled, compensate them. But this is a sham and it rankles me to the core.”

I am confused by Mr. Webster's indignation about Veterans getting compensation for their service connected disabilities (whom, nothing in the article or his alleged claims suggests were not properly adjudicated, other than his apparent gut feeling based about seeing "virtually" every military case he has handled over the past three years involve sleep apnea- a highly dubious claim given the percentages I detailed above). Seems like it pisses him off when a Veteran gets paid. However, his indignation does not seem to get a rise when a lawyer and his son are convicted over bribing a judge to get a favorable outcome in a fee dispute over $26.5 million fees from insurance companies for Hurricane Katrina settlements. Mr. Webster was not so "pissed" about this to keep him from writing a letter in defense of Scruggs who was convicted of bribery and other crimes. He is, however, apparently really mad about the potential for some supposedly undeserving Veterans to get as much as $810 per month for their sleep apnea. Well, all I can say is that Mr. Webster seems to be a man of principle. I just can't tell what his principles are. If it were me, I would hope he would also be "rankled to the core" by felons bribing judges for millions of dollars in legal fees. But, alas, I suppose this former candidate for judge needs to pick his battles. Sure, one of his lawyer friends bribing a judge to get $26 million is not that big of a deal....that is only one guy. There are lots of Veterans out there...I am wondering what his father would think of all of this.
 
The VA pays more for tinnitus than they do for OSA annually I bet.
 
We have all know or worked with a "person" like the author of this article. A know-it-all (who really knows nothing), power hungry and trying to nose into others business. I bet he was the kid that always told on everybody when he was a kid.

OSA is a potentially deadly disease, not always related to obesity- I wonder how many of the current cases are related to exposure to toxins while deployed to OIF/OEF....could this be part of the cause of increased OSA claims? I'm sure that if you dig deeper, you will find that many of the vets currently suffering OSA have also been diagnosed with other respiratory diseases (myself included). Obviously, this guy hasn't got a clue and just needs attention...:rolleyes:
 
Exactly, I concur with all stated PEB Forum member perspectives except the Stars & Stripes article's author! ;)

Since diagnosed with OSA with CPAP in 2011 while still on active duty and long before LOS retirement was even a topic for discussion, it's been a very difficult challenge to use the OSA CPAP machine due to the multitude of severe physical combat-related injuries.

That said, I foresee experiencing significant challenges with the DoVA upon validation of OSA CPAP machine use when my status officially changes to military veteran disability retiree unless a resolution is determined in my case.

Nonetheless, never default acceptance to potential injustice while championing for well-earned and well-deserve military healthcare benefits. As the historical statement goes..."you only have one LIFE to live"...and it's best to maximize all healthcare treatment opportunities while you are capable.

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

Best Wishes!
 
I underwent a anterior dual fusion 8 months ago. While i was under for the surgery the team had complications with me not breathing. After the surgery and i came to and my welcome back statement of "You gave us a scare".
I was given basically given an order to report for a sleep study when i'm capable.
I gimped my ass to the sleep lab and they diagnosed me with sleep apnea. I hate the machine and I'm still trying to get used to it.
Using it in conjunction with asthma and sinusitis/rhinitis is proving difficulty but i feel it helps overall.I don't have to explain my situation anymore than the next guy. I gladly challenge this guy's interpretation of being "truly disabled".
Assumptions and opinions are like a********'s There is a lot of them and everyone has one.
Keep yours to yourself Mr. Lawyer and let the professionals handle this one.

I also wonder how his father would feel about this statement?
 
This is what I don't understand and maybe someone can comment on... why does it appear that the idea of VA "scams" and false claims are constantly brought up to a level that seems to be absurd? I completely agree that any VA scam or any veteran that intentially claims and receives compensation for a condition that isn't disabilitating is wrong to every degree. The problem I have (and I'm too lazy right now to look up statistics) is what percentage of VA claims are filed intentionally with the premise of defrauding the gov't compared to actual disabilities and rightful claims for compensation? From what I remember, the number is pretty low, but anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

My other issue is related.. during the past decade the military, our gov't, and our peers have increasingly made veterans and servicemembers aware of benefits that were largely unknown to us previously. Of course the amount of claims will increase, of course the funding for them will increase. Is this not surprising to this Mr. Webster and the like that think like him? Tom Murphy in the article stated it right.. veterans are just taking advantage of what was already rightfully theirs to begin with. Again though, if anyone knows these statistics off the top of their head please comment, I'll put a little research into later.

To Add also: The stars and stripes shouldn't even be printing articles like that, especially if the "facts" in it are actually not factual.
 
This is what I don't understand and maybe someone can comment on... why does it appear that the idea of VA "scams" and false claims are constantly brought up to a level that seems to be absurd? I completely agree that any VA scam or any veteran that intentially claims and receives compensation for a condition that isn't disabilitating is wrong to every degree. The problem I have (and I'm too lazy right now to look up statistics) is what percentage of VA claims are filed intentionally with the premise of defrauding the gov't compared to actual disabilities and rightful claims for compensation? From what I remember, the number is pretty low, but anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

My other issue is related.. during the past decade the military, our gov't, and our peers have increasingly made veterans and servicemembers aware of benefits that were largely unknown to us previously. Of course the amount of claims will increase, of course the funding for them will increase. Is this not surprising to this Mr. Webster and the like that think like him? Tom Murphy in the article stated it right.. veterans are just taking advantage of what was already rightfully theirs to begin with. Again though, if anyone knows these statistics off the top of their head please comment, I'll put a little research into later.

To Add also: The stars and stripes shouldn't even be printing articles like that, especially if the "facts" in it are actually not factual.

I think another point to be made is that the VA issues CPAP machines that track usage. Although not a factor in compensation now, it may very well be used in the future. I also feel that if the VA thought that false claims were elevated to the level that he claims, the VA would employ an enforcement branch.

What I think is there are some that claim stuff that is not true, but they account for a very small fraction of actual cases. I am pretty sure you can't fake a sleep study. He mentions the fact that veterans do home studies now, but this is only a half fact. Initially they do have you do a home study. This is for the initial diagnosis. If sleep apnea is shown, they order a full sleep study at the lab. I know this because I went through the process. I have had insomnia for a few years now, and they wanted to rule out apnea. I had the home study, and was found not to have apnea, and was told that I may still require a full sleep lab.

Making the leap from a claim, to an actual diagnosis is very different. I SM, or Vet can claim something all day long, but proving it is something different all together. To the other point on sleep apnea being a disability, I suggest they dig a little deeper. Statistics show that sleep apnea is a silent killer that is hidden down a little deeper. It accounts for thousands of heart attacks and other illnesses that kill every year. Apnea places a great deal of stress on other body sytems and does lead to death.

Joe
 
I have a slightly different "opportunity" for Mr. Webster if he wishes to help "truly disabled" vets while protecting our countries investment portfolio. He lives about 30 miles down the road from me and is covered by the same VA clinic (JACC). If he truly wishes to assist vets he should call St. Pete, FL and speak with the VA regional office. They will happily inform him that NW Florida ranks one of the worst JACC's or clinics in all of Florida.

The fact that this counties VA clinic is run poorly doesn't necessarily correlate to waste. However, it does show me that his "heart" or lack of may not be in the right place. Why not focus on the local region? His impact could be had easier and quicker. Maybe a 3-6 month wait for appointments is acceptable, since many are not "truly disabled" or disabled enough in his eyes.

I could outline the problems and how they lead to waste, but I will spare your eyes, my blood pressure, and wasting more of my time on this guy.
 
I have a slightly different "opportunity" for Mr. Webster if he wishes to help "truly disabled" vets while protecting our countries investment portfolio. He lives about 30 miles down the road from me and is covered by the same VA clinic (JACC). If he truly wishes to assist vets he should call St. Pete, FL and speak with the VA regional office. They will happily inform him that NW Florida ranks one of the worst JACC's or clinics in all of Florida.

The fact that this counties VA clinic is run poorly doesn't necessarily correlate to waste. However, it does show me that his "heart" or lack of may not be in the right place. Why not focus on the local region? His impact could be had easier and quicker. Maybe a 3-6 month wait for appointments is acceptable, since many are not "truly disabled" or disabled enough in his eyes.

I could outline the problems and how they lead to waste, but I will spare your eyes, my blood pressure, and wasting more of my time on this guy.

I'm at Eglin, going through IDES and waiting for my C&P exams(I also have OSA, but hey I'm obese so who cares). Being that this Mr. Webster character is out of Shalimar (right out side the gate) strikes a cord with me. What can we do to stop this man in his tracks? Should we start writing our own letters to S&S, Rep. Miller, the VA, or just standby and see how it plays out?

I would like to see the true Letter to Rep. Miller. I am by no means a lawyer or legal authority however, under Florida Sunshine Law (CHAPTER 286 PUBLIC BUSINESS: MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS and/or CHAPTER 119 PUBLIC RECORDS) shouldn't we be able to submit a request to see this letter sent to a STATE REP?

Jason, Pittpan2005 or anyone else for that matter, your thoughts?
Here is Mr. Websters webpage for anyone that is interested. " If you are seeking legal advice and representation for your marital and family law matter, contact Michael T. Webster, P.A., in Shalimar, Florida.
http://www.mtwlaw.com/Contact.shtml
Thank you
 
I don't think he has a leg to stand on. Sleep apnea is a compensable condition by law so if you have it, and it is service connected you get compensated for it. Where Mr. Webster goes off the rails is by stating those seeking legitimate benefits are liars/cheaters/scammers. Would he say the same for those seeking GI Bill benefits?

The VA might adjust the ratings/rating criteria for SA and other conditions as they have done in the past but that is a lengthy process involving public awareness and feedback.

Mike
 
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