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Jacque1950

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I was advised to get special council for administrative separation naturally I think to make sure my grandson doesn’t get screwed . It will be honorable he is injured . No one will refer him to meb or anywhere else. He has been going everywhere getting things . Do you mean special council a private attorney . Who will be doing his paper work. They won’t give him pcm. He has TBI np neurologist ent mh occupation therapist an
Who is in charge of this. He is going everywhere to get help. Provis said to advocate and he is even to his old buds commander
 
Grandson took a voluntary honorable administrative separation. It’s been 4 weeks since legal said everything is done and should be getting his10 day and out. He has not received it yet. He can’t go back to legal or co he doesn’t want to bug them. He has been applying for jobs back home and has a job opportunity to start in May. Do you know how long this takes?
 
I'm surprised a voluntary administrative separation has taken 4+ weeks.
 
There are a ton of issues that you have raised about your Grandson's case that would need to be addressed or answered before providing meaningful input.

While most of the rules and processing are similar between the services, there are different regulations that apply depending on the branch of service.
Can you provide the branch of service, the basis for the separation, the time in service? Those facts would help in providing more input
It will be honorable he is injured
From what you wrote, it sounds like they are not processing him under the disability evaluation system. Need more info to discuss further.

Do you mean special council a private attorney
That is probably what that meant.
They won’t give him pcm.
Sounds extremely suspect. Need more details.
Grandson took a voluntary honorable administrative separation.
What else was on the table? The whole narrative you posted makes me think they are not properly processing his case and he is going to lose important benefits. Something seems wildly off here.
It’s been 4 weeks since legal said everything is done and should be getting his10 day and out.
Timelines are aspirational and often take longer then they should.
Do you know how long this takes?
No. Not sure which branch, which process he is in, and what the specific facts and circumstances apply to his case. Need more details to provide further input.

I strongly suspect he is getting shortchanged.
I hope all works out well for him!

Jason
 
He is in Navy. San Diego Naval base. He was in Special ops. Injured last July. They gave him voluntary honorable administrative separation. This was accepted to be able to get out sooner. He is eligible for va disability considering the injuries he sustained at hazard duty training. He has all his records and appointments ready for the va here at home . They said not to file in CA because he was being discharged soon and he would need to be available for ratings and physicals which we did not think he would still be there. His paper work was turned in in January. His final appointment was 4 weeks ago with legal and she said everything was done. Just wait for his 10 day out. He is not suppose to go back to legal. He doesn’t know who to ask. Also is nervous if he says anything they could get p——d off and keep him longer. He has only been in Navy 15 months. CO and everyone else supported and are done with him. Anything you recommend would be greatly appreciated. He is just sitting there waiting. Not easy! No mustering or anything for 8 months. TBI, permented hearing loss with hearing aids, ptsd, neck and back damage. He needs to get home and get rated from va and see what his life is going to be like now! Has a job offer that he wants to take and try.
 
He is in Navy. San Diego Naval base. He was in Special ops. Injured last July. They gave him voluntary honorable administrative separation.
This seems like a threshold issue- he accepted a voluntary admin separation; if that was his election and he still wants to be out as soon as possible, that is likely the path he needs to take.
However, it may not be the correct path or the best path. With the injuries described and their likely severity (so severe that he cannot continue to serve) he should have been processed through the MEB and PEB.
This was accepted to be able to get out sooner.
Again, if that was a conscious decision and the need to get out sooner is most important, then even if he should have been processed through an MEB and PEB, then that is apparently a conscious choice. I tend to think, especially with the PTSD and the likely combat-related nature, that this is not the best choice if the goal is to get all he should get compensation-wise.
It seems to me that a running theme is that he has elected a path to get out of the Navy sooner instead of fighting for his due compensation now. That can be a valid choice. However, if it is still his choice and desire, not much to do about changing anything now. Essentially, a Sailor can make decisions and unless he disagrees with the processing, it is hard to point to another path ahead right now. No one gets it both ways- the faster separation and the benefits of going through the process.

He is eligible for va disability considering the injuries he sustained at hazard duty training.
That seems highly likely and if he still wants to be out sooner, then the path ahead is filing his VA claims and, perhaps, later pursing a Board for Correction of Naval Records case to get a disability retirement.
He has all his records and appointments ready for the va here at home . They said not to file in CA because he was being discharged soon and he would need to be available for ratings and physicals which we did not think he would still be there.
The downside of waiting to get discharged before filing vice going through the Integrated Disability Evaluation System is that he is faced with getting VA compensation well past his separation date. Again, a choice made that has consequences.
His paper work was turned in in January. His final appointment was 4 weeks ago with legal and she said everything was done.
The "legal" appointment may well have just been focused on the processing of his chosen path- to exit the Navy as quickly as possible with what i am guessing is an entry level separation. It may well be that there is nothing more that the military legal assistance counsel can do or would be looking to do given his choices.
Just wait for his 10 day out. He is not suppose to go back to legal.
Same comment as above.
He doesn’t know who to ask.
Not sure what he would be asking about GIVEN his election to get out as soon as possible. If he is reconsidering his options, he could go back to the legal office, but it is not at all clear to me that he is considering based on the desire to try for the job you mentioned, below.
Also is nervous if he says anything they could get p——d off and keep him longer.
Yes, if he changed his mind it will take longer. Maybe it pisses some folks off, but the essential tradeoff I am seeing is his desire to leave the Navy as soon as possible versus getting his due compensation via the most likely manner to accomplish that. He can't get both- a quicker out and the benefits of the lengthier process to be evaluated for disability compensation and benefits.
He has only been in Navy 15 months. CO and everyone else supported and are done with him.
Seems likely to me that he was injured in training based on his rate and the time in service. Not sure if the CO and others are "done" with him because his separation packet is being finalized and they assume he is fine. I just don't know enough about the situation to offer more input, though my assumption seems likely.
Anything you recommend would be greatly appreciated.
It depends on what he wants to do. If he is pleased with his course of action and getting out on a voluntary ADSEP basis, then he should follow that path and then file with the VA and likely the BCNR (which will take a substantial period of time and may not result in the proper outcome- at least as compared to what is more likely to inure to his benefit by going through the Disability Evaluation System). If he wants to change his mind and potentially go through the DES, he likely should seek legal counsel.
He is just sitting there waiting. Not easy! No mustering or anything for 8 months.
Understood.
TBI, permented hearing loss with hearing aids, ptsd, neck and back damage.
Seems like he should be going through the DES.
He needs to get home and get rated from va and see what his life is going to be like now! Has a job offer that he wants to take and try.
Again, if this is the path he has chosen and he wants the benefits of that path, he needs to wait for the final resolution of his separation packet.

I hope all goes well for him and that this was helpful!
 
Hi sir, we are still waiting for discharge papers on grandson voluntary administrative separation. He has been to everyone he can get to chain of command. His master chief tried to get a TAD for him to come back to Boston but legal said “no suck it up your in CA and no matter who you bring here I will deny it “. I did get call from MC of operations at socom and told me nothing he could do. Because of TBI he had to get clearance from board of medicine in Tennessee or Kentucky and that was approved. Still sitting in San Diego Naval Base. As far as ptsd he is very angry,emotionally at times does not understand what is going on. You are right he wants out of Navy and doesn’t understand why he was willing to give his life and this is the way they treat people who are injured. He went to chaplain and his mh doctor who was surprised he was still there. MH said he is no longer his doctor and called 3 times “urgent” to another doctor and never returned call. The only doctor he has seen sinc February 3rd is neurologist for Botox injections. We now have congressional Inquiry into his case. I think he should try redress article 138! I can’t stand this! What this country is doing to our military! It is so sad.
 
Hi sir, we are still waiting for discharge papers on grandson voluntary administrative separation. He has been to everyone he can get to chain of command. His master chief tried to get a TAD for him to come back to Boston but legal said “no suck it up your in CA and no matter who you bring here I will deny it “. I did get call from MC of operations at socom and told me nothing he could do. Because of TBI he had to get clearance from board of medicine in Tennessee or Kentucky and that was approved. Still sitting in San Diego Naval Base. As far as ptsd he is very angry,emotionally at times does not understand what is going on. You are right he wants out of Navy and doesn’t understand why he was willing to give his life and this is the way they treat people who are injured. He went to chaplain and his mh doctor who was surprised he was still there. MH said he is no longer his doctor and called 3 times “urgent” to another doctor and never returned call. The only doctor he has seen sinc February 3rd is neurologist for Botox injections. We now have congressional Inquiry into his case. I think he should try redress article 138! I can’t stand this! What this country is doing to our military! It is so sad.
Its very hard to help people with head injuries. I have no clue why he wasn't put into IDES. Though a pension would be offset by VA disability medically retiring would result in him having all of his VA ratings when he gets out and Tricare for life. He could have forced the situation and got one but it takes a strong stand to leadership to get that done and without an attorney in his corner they pressured him to sign the admin sep route. The sad part about this whole thing is that if he had insisted on MEB he probably would be getting out at the same time as an admin separation. The reason for it taking so long is that this isn't the normal route when its a serious injury incurred while on active duty.
 
I agree with you, but I think because he only made it to 4th week of Buds he believed he wasn’t in long enough.
I also being at the base and watching his teammates continue training bothered him. He did try to get waiver to go back to Buds and it was denied.
 
Injured in training is still an AD injury. Something is amiss.
 
I agree with you, but I think because he only made it to 4th week of Buds he believed he wasn’t in long enough.
I also being at the base and watching his teammates continue training bothered him. He did try to get waiver to go back to Buds and it was denied.
Since he is still in there is a chance to get this fixed. I would consult some attorneys in addition to the congressional inquiry. Since he has had head trauma it can be argued he signed the admin separation while not having the mental capacity to understand what that means and how that affects his rights. He basically waived the option of being medically retired.
 
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