Signed 199....Now What

wiko123

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I am still confused on what I will be entitled to. Its a whole different field for NG. Here are the details

100% Army
100% VA
All combat related
23 years National Guard with two combat tours retiring at E-8 MSG, NOT AGR, just M-Day
I am 41 years old so do I have to wait to 60 to pull concurrent (army and VA)?
will I get the difference between my VA and Army retirement?
I have no clue if I will get anything for CRSC since all the calculators I try give me different numbers.

I would like to start planning for the future and have no clue how much I can expect.
 
Well Sergeant, either way congratulations. If you were active duty I could be of better help but there are some great minds on here who know the NG portion a lot better.
 
Well Sergeant, either way congratulations. If you were active duty I could be of better help but there are some great minds on here who know the NG portion a lot better.

Thanks. I am grateful and content with my rating especially since its PDRL and will soon be over with for good.
 
Thanks. I am grateful and content with my rating especially since its PDRL and will soon be over with for good.

The PDRL/TDRL difference is life altering. When I saw PDRL I literally wanted to cry! I am 70/70 non-combat related but still training related due to a nasty injury. I was retired three months ago and things are great!
 
Congratulations on your retirement! Things have changed recently for Reservist vs. what they were told in the past.

I couldn't get the link for you, but you can google: "Reserve encounter CRDP difficulties"
It explains whom to contact and Reservist entitlement, so you can have a better idea of what to expect.

Good luck!

T-man
 
wiko123

I'm in the same boat as you only I'm about 2 months ahead of you in the process. My retirement date was 3 Dec after 36 years 10 months both active and reserve. I'm 100% VA and 80% army. I've been told different information about what amount we will collect but the consensus on these blogs is that your retirement pay will be based on what active duty pay is for an E8 with 21 YOS. If your PEBD is after 1980, you will fall under the "high three" formula. You'll take the average of the last three years AD pay for your rank and years of service (21) and that's what your retirement is based on. So if you were an E8 for the last 3 years take the average yearly active duty pay and divide by 3. Although you are 100% army, you can only collect 75%. So your retirement pay should be 75% of whatever your high three is. Again, all figures are for what an active duty person makes. This is the optimistic and most popular view.

The pessimistic view is this: When you get your retirement order there will be a line that says "basic pay" and a line that says "disability retirement". The basic pay line will be your total YOS from your PEBD, in your case 21 years. The disability retirement line will be the number of points you have divided by 360. So for me, the BP line is 36y 10m and the DR line is 13y 4m. There are some blogs and websites (myarmybenefits.com to name 1) that state your retirement pay will be based on the DR YOS rather than the BP YOS. In my case that's over $2000 a month difference.

CRSC is a totally different animal. Even though it's been explained to me hundreds of times, I still have no idea how that is figured, but I'm pretty sure it is figured by the DR YOS so I am counting on not collecting anything.

The only people who can answer this for you with 100% certainty is DFAS and they won't/can't tell you. I've called them 3 times to inquire as to what I will be paid. Two times they said they can't tell me because I'm not in the system (I called before my retirement date) and the third time they said they haven"t started building my packet (after my retirement date). I asked them how long it takes to build a packet and she said at least 30 days. I asked how it can take 30 days when my first retirement check is due in 3 weeks. She said it will probably be late. So I got that going for me.

The bonus here for both of us is that this whole excruciating stressful process is over, or almost over. I will keep you updated on my status and if you have any questions as to what to expect next feel free to ask.
 
Kissem I received my first retirement pay from the Army on October 1st after retiring September 17th with 70% from the Army..
 
Kissem, Thanks for the good read. please keep me posted. AKO changed today and it looks like my last day will be around 12/26/14 so now I just wait for PEBLO to give me some good news.
 
Congrats to both of you, I got notice they are preparing my 199 at 70% pdrl but it should be higher but I think I am gonna go away happy with this. My VA is currently 80%, I think it will end up at 90% unless my condition worsens. I have 25 years total which about 6 years was active but I got a twenty year letter. Good luck to all.
 
I'm also NG - just wondered how long it took for a few of you to get through the IDES system... I am at 305 days and still waiting for VA Rating (208 days at VA Rating).
 
Moustahe6, I am national guard and went off active duty in june 2011, this is my 2nd trip through the MEB process, was found fit the first time. In May 2013, had major medical issues and they initiated the MEB process at the state level in August 2013 and it actually showed a start date on IDES of Dec 12, 2013. So I am basically right at a year and they are supposedly processing my 199 right now. They said mine went slower because my unfit issues were already on appeal from my previous award of VA benefits. Good luck to you.
 
Reading how long it has taken you fellas is heart breaking! My start to terminal leave was less than 6 months! I am just waiting on the VA to kick in with their money as the Army has been paying their portion for a few months now.
 
I'm also NG - just wondered how long it took for a few of you to get through the IDES system... I am at 305 days and still waiting for VA Rating (208 days at VA Rating).

I just got my separation orders today......12/26 is my last day......Wooooohooooo.

Mine took almost 2 years to the day. My state sat on it for almost a year, they claimed they did not know how to process it. I hope you get a resolution soon
 
I'm also NG - just wondered how long it took for a few of you to get through the IDES system... I am at 305 days and still waiting for VA Rating (208 days at VA Rating).

I'm NG as well. The VA was my longest wait. 322 days. Then my info was mistakenly sent to a wrong office. So I waited another month and a half to get my 199. Today makes 540 days in this process. I'm just waiting on my orders. It's been 6 weeks and one day so far. Good luck and don't drive yourself crazy!
 
wiko123- I just got off the phone with DFAS. I've called them a number of times over the month but got the usual "I can't tell you because..." response. The last time I called I was told that DFAS has 30 days (2 January) to complete the packet. I told him then why do I have the feeling I'll be calling on 5 January asking why I haven't received any information and why haven't I got paid and lo and behold that's what happened.

The first lady I spoke to told me that my retirement will be based on the 13 year YOS not the 37 YOS. I told her that on numerous web sites, both government and civilian, it says my retirement should be based on 37 YOS. she told me that's not the case and asked if I wanted to talk to someone higher than her. The second lady confirmed the 13 YOS base pay. Again, I mentioned the other websites and she told me they were wrong. I then asked if she could tell me how much I would make. She did her calculations and said it comes out to around 2000. I told her that makes no sense because if I just went in the retired reserves I could continue to collect points and get more for retirement. I also told her that as of now my retirement pay at age 60 would be 2600. I then asked how she figured it out. She said she took the pay rate for an E9 over 26 (she couldn't get the over 36 rate for some reason) multiplied by .025 and then multiplied by the 13.3 YOS. I asked what and where did you get the .025. She said that 2.5% is the multiplier. I asked if there was another way of figuring it out which would be to take the pay rate of an E9 over 36 and multiply that by the army disability % (75) which comes out to 5300. She said I could do it that way but I would have to waive the VA pay.

So bottom line is this: there are 2 ways to figure out what you will receive. first you have to figure out your pay base and if you are high 3 or final pay. I'm guessing you are high 3 because you have to have entered the service before 1980 to be eligible for final pay. If you were an E8 for the last 3 years this should be easy to figure out. So for arguments sake just say that your pay base would be what an E8 would make according to the 2014 pay chart after 21 years (4896). The first way to figure it would be to multiply the $4896 times 75%. Although you are 100% from the army, federal law says you can only be paid a maximum 75%. So this figures to $3672. The other way to figure it is to take the 4896 multiply by 2.5% (.025) and then multiply by your creditable years of service which is your total points divided by 360. I've been told that DFAS selects the one that is more beneficial to the retiree. You always have the option of changing it though.

At least this is the way it was explained to me. Keep in mind that the figure you come up with is only your military retirement. Once DFAS figures in your VA pay, the final figure may change. There's also the CRSC computation to figure in and as I've stated I have no idea how that is figured.

One last thing she said to me. Everything is done by snail mail and that it could take as long as another 30 days to see anything in the bank. So keep that in mind if if they tell you that they have 30 days to get everything in place.

I'll keep you posted if anything else pops up.

donaldjshaw93 - see above statement. 1 January has come and gone and they (DFAS) still have no idea what I'll be getting. My guess is that you were paid on time because you hadn't collected the VA portion yet. It sounded to me if the VA is paying you, then it takes longer to compute for some reason.

Everyone else - I was very lucky with the IDES process. My packet went to the MEB in late June, a decision was made late September, and my orders were cut 3 December. I had already been rated by the VA, but that didn't matter because the ratings were more than 1 year old so I had to go through all the C&Ps again. My problem was getting my packet out of my RSC. That took about 8 months.
 
I am not surprised with any of it at this point. We should all get together and write a book!

I got an e-mail 19 DEC 2014, that had all previous e-mails included below that stated my ratings are complete and that I would get my DA 199 the following week (Christmas week... yeah whatever). The next Monday, 22 DEC 2014, I got a call from my MSC informing me that he had "good" news. They figured out that my VA ratings were heald up because my C-file was on someones desk in Indianapolis and that they would expedite getting it together with the other information in Seattle. WTF - I thought the ratings were done!!!

I started a Congressional in October because nobody could tell me where my VA documents were located. The VA told the Congressmans office that everything was in Seatle. Meanwhile I continue to pull out all of my hair.

5 JAN 2015 - NO DA-199, No confirmation from my MSC, as of this morning, that the C-file found its way to Seatle... he said he would send an e-mail, and NO END IN SIGHT.

It is really a relief to find out that DFAS is just as screwed up and they don't know how much anyone from the USAR or NG will receive in retirement!!!

Kissem - I'm at 27 yos now and get madder by the day. How can our system be so messed up?
 
Kissem, Thanks for the explanation. I got my 199 and was released so now I'm just sitting back and waiting for my NGB-22 so I can file for CRSC. the worst is now behind me. Good luck with your fight, keep it up
 
I just signed my family up for Tricare PRIME for $540 per year. they kept telling me I did not qualify so I went to a DEERS location and they did some mumbo jumbo and changed my status ....... poof like magic it was approved. Don't let them tell you, you don't qualify because you are guard
 
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